[TYPO3-typo3org] "Sites made with TYPO3"

[Daniel Hinderink]

Some more social data engineering:

Here is the list of notifications about sites being non-TYPO3 or offline 
since that function was made private. The number exptedly dropped quite 
a bit:



Daniel Hinderink schrieb:
> hi Kian,
> 
> Kian T. Gould schrieb:
>> Hi Daniel
>>
>> In my opinion the idea of this top brand listing should be that when a 
>> big company comes to the TYPO3.org listing, they can see that TYPO3 is 
>> not a system that is only useful for small community websites and 
>> homepages but they can see that it is a full enterprise class CMS and 
>> there are references their proofing it. 
> 
> 
> You are assuming that this kind of customer is visiting this site.
> 
> I think the much more likely scenario is that developers thinking about 
> using TYPO3 are looking at this site. Also sales people from agencies 
> might take a look (new and existing TYPO3 service providers alike).
> 
> To the developers the brands are interesting, but what is even more 
> interesting is what you can _do_ with this software.
> 
> So a rating that has more facets seems like a good solution.
> 
> 1. features
> 2. design
> 3. brand
> 
> in no particular order would be possible criteria that are easy enough 
> to understand. To excell in the features department, users must describe 
> the features in the text, which is a good thing too.
> 
> 
> Therefore I thought that its
>> important that the top brands are really top brands and that they are 
>> display in a way that there are always real top brands on that list, 
>> but who determines what a top brand is, if its not through some kind 
>> of ranking method.
> 
> 
> As I said: somebody (not me, but may be you?) does the job of assigning 
> references the brand flag. Then they are listed either chronologically 
> (last additions on top) or on the basis of their average ratings (see 
> 3.rd above).
> 
>> Are you aware of any European rankings for company / brand values?
> 
> 
> Again, they are not comprehensive. Here we have something that takes 
> human judgement, all other solutions don't work I think.
> 
>> I agree with your concern about using an anglo-american ranking for 
>> TYPO3.
> 
> 
> It's fine if it is not the only one and just a hint, but not the reference.
> 
> Finally just going for companies on the stock exchange, like somebody 
> proposed, leaves out tons of great brands. Think of Schwan-STABILO or 
> any NGO like Greenpeace.
> 
> cheers
> 
> Daniel
> 
> 
>>
>> Regards
>> Kian
>>
>>
>> "Daniel Hinderink" <daniel at typo3.org> wrote in message 
>> news:mailman.1.1210163550.11547.typo3-team-typo3org at lists.netfielders.de:
>>
>>> Hi Kian,
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Any idea of what they would charge for that, of course we could also
>>> do
>>> > it ourselves. I think the idea is very good lets brainstorm a bit more
>>> > on it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Check with them directly please.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I think the idea should be that only brands that are listed in the
>>> > Top100 ranking from Millward can be added to the top brands list.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am not that impressed with Millward Brown's ranking method (which is
>>> pretty opaque) to make it our reference. Additionally our main market is
>>> still D/A/CH. Brands like SIXT make for good references here, but are
>>> not represented in the US.
>>>
>>> So I guess we have to find another yard stick, or better still, somebody
>>> to trust on such a matter.
>>>
>>>
>>> So the
>>>
>>> > way we could do it is that we have a field that is optional in the
>>> > reference form that says Millward ranking with a link to the current
>>> PDF
>>> >
>>> http://www.millwardbrown.com/Sites/Optimor/Media/Pdfs/en/BrandZ/BrandZ-2
>>> 008-Report.pdf
>>> > for people to look up if their project is on the Top100 list and on
>>> what
>>> > position. When someone fills out this field an e-mail gets send to
>>> > someone suitable (I could do it without a problem but maybe also more
>>> > than one person so it gets done quickly) saying that they added a
>>> > listing, then the person can check if the position they put in is real
>>> > or not and confirm it if it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I don't think we need a function like that. Just somebody with enough
>>> judgement checking the new additions will do.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > I like the idea of putting the newest top brand sites at the top as
>>> long
>>> > as only Top 100 sites appear there and when you click on more you get
>>> > them listed in the actual ranking order from Millward.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Why that?
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Any other ideas to that? The only issue I see is that when the new
>>> > ranking comes out the values are not valid anymore so there I would
>>> > suggest a mechanism where the person that checks the rankings can send
>>> > out an e-mail blast to all people that have a top brand ranking to ask
>>> > them to check if their Millward ranking id is still correct. Any
>>> better
>>> > ideas?
>>>
>>>
>>> If there are two rankings, and I certainly don't want to loose the
>>> community ranking (!), I believe we can keep what we already have for
>>> the community picks and simply add the second without having to touch
>>> the first.
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Best Regards
>>> > Kian
>>> >
>>> > "Daniel Hinderink" <daniel at typo3.org> wrote in message
>>> >
>>> news:mailman.1.1210085834.21371.typo3-team-typo3org at lists.netfielders.de
>>> :
>>> >
>>>
>>> >> Hi Kian,
>>> >>
>>> >> I think the best solution is to introduce a second ranking box,
>>> keeping
>>> >> the existing one as the "community picks" and a second one with "best
>>> >> brands".
>>> >>
>>> >> Obviously Brands are selected by hand, much like the reference List
>>> on
>>> >> .com. Brands are generally not hard to choose, simply go by brand
>>> value
>>> >> (Milward Brown and Interbrand publish rankings annually) and/or share
>>> >> price/market value.
>>> >>
>>> >> That would still require someone suitable to maintain that list.
>>> Within
>>> >> that list, the ranking should be chronologically, with last additions
>>> on
>>> >> top. On the bottom it could link to a "top brands"-listing page.
>>> >>
>>> >> Care to sponsor pixelrund to do this, or ask them to do it yourself?
>>> >>
>>> >> The community picks now show the average rating. It could be changed
>>> to
>>> >> the total sum of stars, which would also be worth considering.
>>> >>
>>> >> cheers
>>> >>
>>> >> Daniel
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Kian T. Gould schrieb:
>>> >>
>>>
>>> >> > Hi guys
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thanks a lot for this new extension which was IMHO very overdue. I
>>>
>>> >> think
>>>
>>> >> > the features are getting there now but after a first trial we
>>> noticed a
>>> >> > major flaw of the system, which is the voting ability. We added our
>>> >> > largest and most complex reference CISCO Systems to the list, which
>>> is
>>> >> > currently definitely the biggest reference on the list because so
>>> far
>>> >> > mostly small projects were added and what happened? It was voted
>>>
>>> >> down by
>>>
>>> >> > a lot of people that added small projects and voted for them
>>> themselves
>>> >> > and is now not even under the Top sites anymore. When a potential
>>> >> > corporation interested in using TYPO3 sees these Top sites, they
>>> >> > probably would think that TYPO3 is a small community platform and
>>> not
>>> >> > suitable for their needs and rather turn to other systems which is
>>> >> > exactly what we don't want with a system like this. This way again
>>> we
>>> >> > have an unqualified listing of references that has some more info
>>>
>>> >> but is
>>>
>>> >> > in no way more differenciating than the old system.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > There are two sites there right now that deserve to be their IMHO,
>>>
>>> >> those
>>>
>>> >> > being fotobuch AG and Tourismus Hamburg (and CISCO of course :-) )
>>> but
>>> >> > the rest is really not a great presentation of the TYPO3 power.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Therefore I would like to open the discussion to ideas and
>>> suggestions
>>> >> > how a voting process could be done in a way that the Top sites are
>>> >> > really representations of the power of TYPO3 and not a result of
>>> voting
>>> >> > manipulation. If you totally don't agree with me please also give
>>> your
>>> >> > input, maybe I am looking at this from the wrong perspective.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Best Regards
>>> >> > Kian
>>> >> >
>>>
>>> >
>>