[TYPO3-ect] lib/div 1.0 - it's time to say thank you

[Steffen Kamper]

"R. van Twisk" <typo3 at rvt.dds.nl> schrieb im Newsbeitrag 
news:mailman.63125.1168114209.21325.typo3-team-extension-coordination at lists.netfielders.de...
> Elmar HInz wrote:
>>> Hey Elmar,
>>>
>>> today I took a quick glance at the tx_lib library and tx_div library...
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>>> tx_div seems to be very minimalistic and provides almost the same 
>>> functions as
>>> t3lib_div:: I currently don't see a real advantage of tx_lib, specially 
>>> that api_macmade
>>> as a magnitude more usefull functions (+16000 downloads....)
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>> Hi Ries,
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>> I need to say that such a remark make me a little angry. Why did we start
>> the Extension Coordination Team? Because extensions like api_macmade,
>> obts, kb_shop, ameos_formidable etc. are all full of experience and
>> usefull concepts. But they are all one man shows and don't work together.
>> We don't need a million of incompatible extensions in TER but a few
>> hundred of compatible ones. So we started ECT as a forum to bring the 
>> best
>> concepts of the best together and to improve the TYPO3 project as a 
>> whole.
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> Hey Elmar,
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> didn't wan't to make you angry, in my mind I was just wondering why we 
> couldn't join
> forces with already existing great extensions, invite this people over.
>
> My sinsire apologizes for making you feel like that...
>
> But then again I am not to involved into ECT...
> Would it be a good idea to make a interface from tx_div to several 
> extension?
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>> But did you ever see Jerome Schneider, Dan Frost, Bernhard Kraft,
>> Jean-David Gadina, Rupert Germann, just as a few examples for others,
>> taking up this chance joinig the team, searching for common guidelines,
>> interfaces etc.? I didn't. Obviously they prefer their one man show to 
>> the
>> benefit of the whole.
>>
> very much true I am afraid...... Which is a bad thing as a whole for typo3 
> (to much duplicates).
>> Is this the nature of extension developers? Are they all unable to do the
>> minimum of self organization? Isn't there a way? See the long list of
>> subscribers to ECT: http://wiki.typo3.org/index.php/Ect. Now, who has
>> contributed to the common library so far? 2 people, Franz Holzinger and
>> me. lib and div are on the common extension developer platform typo3xdev
>> for over 6 monthes now!!!!
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> what could be the reason for that?
>

i think one reason is that all developers earn their mony developing 
solutions for their clients. There you have a small time budget and 
sometimes not the chance to give your work to TER.
I try to find a balance, e.g. instead of creating new extensions i joined 
cal to help there.

But anyway you're right - I miss all the gurus in the newsgroups helping 
others understanding the core. Or supporting dev-teams.
But this is a human issue as well ...

anyway i try my best to support the community.

vg  Steffen

> I do see a really good point of heaving one good library (tx_div and 
> tx_lib) unfortunately
> it is to difficult for the core team to accept anything to core (t3lib_div 
> that is). That's why
> so many people made there own efford to bring something out.
>
>> Kasper has asked me to take up the leadership of ECT. But I am rather
>> frustrated meanwhile seing this big crowed of egocentrics in the 
>> extension
>> developers scene. I will give it a chance another 6 monthes. If the
>> situation hasn't changed fundumentally, I will likely resign from this
>> task.
>>
>>
> I can understand this very well... But I didn't try to be egocentric..
> I think some people outside of core do have some very very good ideas 
> including me
> (that happens sometimes!) may be we can talk about that sometimes over 
> skype?
> Feel free to contact me off list to see what we can do?
>
>> Please remind that there are also very positive examples: party 
>> framework,
>> calendar base, extension comparison project ...
>>
> calendar base rocks... that is true
>> Regards
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>> Elmar
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> -- 
> Ries van Twisk
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