[TYPO3-ect] [TYPO3-dev] "Extension chaos"

[Elmar Hinz]

Hello Kari,

I can understand your impatience. Central decisions can't be done without the
coordination with the R&D. We are all waiting for Robert. Without fixing the
central fields our work would be like building castels in the air.

For me the contributions on the mailing follow principles. We have set up
central projects like pratner framework, mvc, quickstart packages. Important
parts of the work have started. The MVC discussion is quite far and near to a
first implementation. Still nobody has volunteerd to lead it, but it's rolling.
First Content Rendering Schemes have been defiend. The new installer for
packages has been discussed and tested.

We have a motivated organizer for the partner framework. As long as the R&D team
gives no feedback to Davids proposals it does not make sense to work deeper on
this central field. Nobody joined discussion upon the launch of partner
framework. David has invited you to bring in your ideas. You didn't. David will
get active again as soon as R&D gives feedback. That seems to by the
precondition that other people will take it seriously to join in.

Setting up a core group is a good idea. Who can be the core group? Obviously
those who actively take part in the discussions on this list, those who proposed
and started projects and again the R&D people.

The discussions on this list is the discussion of a voluntary core group for the
beginning. We have set it up as a communication platform for this. With time we
can write down the names of most constructive contributers to give some names to
the core group. But writing down names first and then hoping that people
contribute something doesn't work. We can only get as far as people take up
responsibilities for fields and push it.

Best Regards

Elmar


Kari Salovaara schrieb:
> Peter Kindström wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>>
>> I think you all have to be patient!!! The ECT is newly born and it is
>> not very easy to change the community away from the "do it yourself"
>> mentality to a "cooperation" mentality!
>>
> Hi,
> 
> I joined to ECT-list 19.12.2005 and I've followed it by reading every
> email. Unfortunately (maybe I'm really stupid) I haven't got
> the idea of this team or the meaning of the list. I've looked and
> read Wiki pages few times and got some hint what could be
> the principles. Because of this I suggest that some core group
> of the team,
> 1) creates the goals and targets of the group
> 2) creates some kind of draft for measures to be done to achieve
> these goals and targets
> 3) documents 1) and 2) into the Wiki pages
> 4) after previous steps it would be easier to prioritize detail plans
> for subgroups and also the synergy within these.
> 
> After these steps it would be much easier to attract people/volunteers
> to participate. Also if using limited measures for Typo3 development
> the progress could be more predictable.
> 
>> I guess the wiki pages are more like a working area for the ECT. When
>> there are things ready to be released we should use the typo3.org web
>> pages and/or TER for that.
>>
> 
> This is just OK if the principles are first created.
> 
>> But right now we are just in a discussion phase and there are lots of
>> work to be done before we have something concrete to show the community.
>>
> 
> I understand that there was some snow holidays during which
> people had the possibility to define some concrete ?
> 
>> But maybe we should be better at spreading information about the
>> progress and try even harder to get people involved...?
>>
> I agree, but read above.
> 
> I in good mood and I don't want this email to produce any flames
> but I've only >30 years experience of developing applications and
> use them. At the moment the discussion here is like a big ocean
> and everyone is shouting from different shores without any
> COORDINATION.
> 
> Best regards,
> Kari Salovaara