[TYPO3-core] Re: Memory system woes

[Mathias Schreiber]

Quote: pgampe wrote on Thu, 14 February 2013 22:00
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> Hi Bernhard,
> 
> Bernhard Kraft wrote:
> 
> > I guess if this
> > direction is kept on TYPO3 mostly developed by Germans will be a system
> > only suitable mostly for Germany (and other western European countries).
> > Which surely isn't the goal!
> 
> Honestly, every decent computer from the last 10 years can run any current 
> web application.

Agreed.
But Bernhard isn't talking about decent computers from the last 10 years.
Apart from that you need to keep in mind that virtualization get bigger than it already is and Citrix + Thin-Clients are getting more and more into huge companies.
In regards with "the standard website" you refer to:
The TYPO3 BE takes up 2-3GB RAM on IE.
If you calculate 50 editors (which is average on our cases) you will take up 100 - 150GB RAM on a Citrix host just with the browser in the BE ALONE.

> Even my cellphone is powerful enough to run most websites. And new 
> "smartphones" come with a quad core CPU and an additional graphic unit.
> My cell phone has more memory then my mums computer!
> Hardware acceleration is the key.

I do get your point and all you say is true.
But: There are things apart from that and it does not help to put your head into the sand upon these just because "my stuff works".
This is one of the main problems in regards to performance.
I am happy (I really am) that "your stuff" works.
But the folks dealing with performance issues have "their stuff" not working and I think it is rude to tell them off like this.

> Today the client side browser is more important to speed than any 
> optimization you can do as programmer.
> In most part of the worlds, the network latency is taking more time then the 
> actual rendering of the website.

Right.
Ever wondered why we put stuff onto CDNs in order to remove that problem?
 
> You really really have to work hard to stress any computer that was sold in 
> the last five years with a normal "office" workload.
> 1 GB Memory and a 2GHz CPU is good enough to run any website, but games.
> And guess what was sold ten years ago.

It is?
Open up the TYPO3 BE and try again :)