[TYPO3-core] RFC: Templavoila + Core fixes

Kasper Skårhøj kasper2006 at typo3.com
Wed Mar 15 16:50:01 CET 2006


Hi Bernhard, more reply later, but I can't meet on IRC at 2000, sorry.

- kasper



On Mar 15, 2006, at 16:22 , Bernhard Kraft wrote:

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> Kasper Skårhøj wrote:
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>> Bottomline: I will never recommend the other approach in the guide
>> but I'm not opposed to presenting it as an alternative way of
>> thinking. I just think both you and bernhard are having years of
>> experience with localization against you to see the blessings of my
>> recommendation. But I could be equally wrong of course.
>
> Hi !
>
> I read quickly through all of your postings and first I have to state
> that I am also "on your track"..
>
> I think sleep ordered mind and and when I checked it now I noticed  
> that
> when you set "langDisable=1" in PageDS that you do not have a  
> language selector
> in the TV page module at all (with your latest version).
>
> So I see the point: I have an "Dansih only" Editor ... he will see  
> the default
> content and buttons to translate the elements to danish ...
>
> It is hardly required that it is possible to translate  
> "traditional" CEs and
> especially FCE's directly from the "default language" view as this  
> is the only
> available.
> No probs with trad. CE's but I think you also noted it in one of  
> your mails that
> you can't edit FCE's (right ?)
>
>
>
> When I sum it all up then I come to the result that we should  
> completly drop localization
> in the Flexform when there would only be Content-Elements  
> inside ... but as this is not
> the case and there are also, strings, images and links as fields of  
> a flexform the localization
> in the XML makes its sense.
>
>
> I think we have now way to get around coding both of those  
> possiblities as Kaspers version is
> for sure the more clever one if you want to achieve a strict  
> ordering and linkage but Roberts
> version is already "out-in-the-wild" and we can't afford to break  
> compatiblity with thousands
> or at least hundreads of TV multilanguage installations !
> - ---
> *1* (Kaspers version, version-K) langDisable has to get set to 0 -  
> enables hard-binding between CE's. alternative
> language CE's can still get inserted between default-language  
> elements - order of translated-CEs is given
> by default language.
> Fixes required: FCE's have to display their translated content  
> properly to make it possible to edit translations.
> - ---
> *2* (Roberts version, version-R) langDisable has to get set to 1 -  
> soft-binding between CE's. translated language completly
> independent from default-language altough elements can get  
> localized (will have translOrig set), order is defined
> by order in alternative-language. Content elements get inserted in  
> correct position when translated but order does
> not get changed in alternative language when CE's in default- 
> language get reordered (too complex).
> Fixes required: Translated CE's have to get inserted into the  
> correct field of the alternative language. Probably
> also the FCE previews from *1*
> - ---
>
>
> We should meet up in IRC on #typo3-dev to discuss this a little.
>
> Any preferences on the time ? I would suggest 20.00. Anyway .. I  
> will be there in about an hour.
>
>
> I still have to fix a few issues for customers but I think from  
> 20.00 on I have time and will start
> to make a fix which allows both ways (Kaspers and Roberts).
>
> But I never had any comment from anyone of you if you agree with my  
> method to let TCE_main handle the localization of
> the CE and TV the insertion into the Flexforms (which is not needed  
> for version-K but for version-R). I achieved
> this by letting tce_db.php append the result of the copy/localize  
> operations as &result[...] parameter to the
> returnUrl.
> Comments please :)
>
>
>
> greets,
> Bernhard
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