[TYPO3-hci] 4.1 menubar thoughts

[Andreas Balzer]

Lasse Norby schrieb:
> Hi Andreas
> 
> you wrote:
> 
>> Hi!
>> Your demo is great! Wow!
> Thank you!
> 
>>
>> Well.. There are currently several things I dislike.
> Yeah.. Me too ;-)
> 
>> On the one hand many people get told, that you have to click only once
>> on internet pages, but on the other hand many people still double click
>> on any link, because they got used to by their operating system aka
>> broken-glasses-on-your-floor :)
> Yeah.. I have this impression too.. My girlfriend sometimes click three
> times just to make sure :-)
> And I've told her numerous times that one click does the job just fine..
> 
>>
>> I think this problem could be solved by a configurating setting, which
>> enables you to: 1) click and select or 2) hover and select
>> Windows has such an option, and I think it works great.
> Great idea!
> 
>>
>> Something like this could be invented.
> Easily! There are some bright minds sneaking around the community.
> 
>>
>> On the other hand, draggable windows are a real problem. As long as you
>> have the back/forward button on top of your screen, most people use
>> them. This is very bad, if you entered something, but then clicked on
>> "backwards".
> Yop!.. This the "main issue" for me.. This is THE most important button
> in a browser. - Better make it work in typo3...
> 
>>
>> Sure, tabs couldn't solve this issue too, but they would probably don't
>> give the impression, that a click on "backwards" doesn't affect your
>> inputs.
>>
>> Well, what do you think of having both options again. Windows and tabs?
> It's a possibility..
> It's just that - well, I'm NOT saying that "windows" is the way to go,
> but for me the big thing is to let users create their own "back-end"
> using shortcut-icons etc, as most users have their own way of working in
>   typo3, or any other program.
> E.g if my mom or girlfriend opens Dreamweaver, they get so confused
> about all the small buttons and features they will close it again after
> MAX 5 minutes and feel VERY stupid.. They don't need "databases" or
> "server behavior" or care to validate xhtml strict, when all they want
> to do is build a simple page that reads: "Hi.. My name is Lasse's mom!
> And I'm soo proud of him :-) "..
> If only they had a way to configure Dreamweaver to only display the
> buttons that are important to them, they would get their job done a lot
> faster, with less frustration and more confidence! And then, as their
> confidence and courage builds up, they can start to add more buttons and
> options. All at their own pace.
> This is same thing with typo3.
> My mom could easily be the "standard dummy-user".. She would log in to
> typo3 to insert some news and maybe this is the only thing she actually
> uses in typo3.
> The first time she logs in, it will take her - say ten minutes to find
> out where she can add news, but when she does, she can make a shortcut
> that will POP right into her eyes the next time she logs in - right
> there on her personal desktop. This shortcut could even be there from
> the start if the administrator knew that that was her only job, and
> added it for her.
> So the discussion about "windows vs tabs" or "double-clicking!!" is for
> me *not* the big thing. Sure it's something to be discussed, but "the
> big picture" and defining various ways to let users work, is waaay more
> important and exiting..
> 
>> I mean it's not that different, and remember: Dreamweaver is using
>> windows too. The only noticeable difference between Windows and
>> Dreamweaver is, that Windows is displaying the windows in a startmenu
>> and Dreamweaver in a tabmenu. However.. Both use the same technics and
>> both have the same options like dragging, sorting, closing, etc..
>>
>> Why not just use both possibilities. It's only a question of the skin,
>> isn't it?
>>
>> Andreas
> 
> Cheers!
> Lasse
++1 - no comment required :)

Andreas