[TYPO3-hci] 4.1 menubar thoughts

[Lasse Norby]

Hi Andreas

you wrote:

> Hi!
> Your demo is great! Wow!
Thank you!

> 
> Well.. There are currently several things I dislike.
Yeah.. Me too ;-)

> On the one hand many people get told, that you have to click only once
> on internet pages, but on the other hand many people still double click
> on any link, because they got used to by their operating system aka
> broken-glasses-on-your-floor :)
Yeah.. I have this impression too.. My girlfriend sometimes click three 
times just to make sure :-)
And I've told her numerous times that one click does the job just fine..

> 
> I think this problem could be solved by a configurating setting, which
> enables you to: 1) click and select or 2) hover and select
> Windows has such an option, and I think it works great.
Great idea!

> 
> Something like this could be invented.
Easily! There are some bright minds sneaking around the community.

> 
> On the other hand, draggable windows are a real problem. As long as you
> have the back/forward button on top of your screen, most people use
> them. This is very bad, if you entered something, but then clicked on
> "backwards".
Yop!.. This the "main issue" for me.. This is THE most important button 
in a browser. - Better make it work in typo3...

> 
> Sure, tabs couldn't solve this issue too, but they would probably don't
> give the impression, that a click on "backwards" doesn't affect your inputs.
> 
> Well, what do you think of having both options again. Windows and tabs?
It's a possibility..
It's just that - well, I'm NOT saying that "windows" is the way to go, 
but for me the big thing is to let users create their own "back-end" 
using shortcut-icons etc, as most users have their own way of working in 
   typo3, or any other program.
E.g if my mom or girlfriend opens Dreamweaver, they get so confused 
about all the small buttons and features they will close it again after 
MAX 5 minutes and feel VERY stupid.. They don't need "databases" or 
"server behavior" or care to validate xhtml strict, when all they want 
to do is build a simple page that reads: "Hi.. My name is Lasse's mom! 
And I'm soo proud of him :-) "..
If only they had a way to configure Dreamweaver to only display the 
buttons that are important to them, they would get their job done a lot 
faster, with less frustration and more confidence! And then, as their 
confidence and courage builds up, they can start to add more buttons and 
options. All at their own pace.
This is same thing with typo3.
My mom could easily be the "standard dummy-user".. She would log in to 
typo3 to insert some news and maybe this is the only thing she actually 
uses in typo3.
The first time she logs in, it will take her - say ten minutes to find 
out where she can add news, but when she does, she can make a shortcut 
that will POP right into her eyes the next time she logs in - right 
there on her personal desktop. This shortcut could even be there from 
the start if the administrator knew that that was her only job, and 
added it for her.
So the discussion about "windows vs tabs" or "double-clicking!!" is for 
me *not* the big thing. Sure it's something to be discussed, but "the 
big picture" and defining various ways to let users work, is waaay more 
important and exiting..

> I mean it's not that different, and remember: Dreamweaver is using
> windows too. The only noticeable difference between Windows and
> Dreamweaver is, that Windows is displaying the windows in a startmenu
> and Dreamweaver in a tabmenu. However.. Both use the same technics and
> both have the same options like dragging, sorting, closing, etc..
> 
> Why not just use both possibilities. It's only a question of the skin,
> isn't it?
> 
> Andreas

Cheers!
Lasse