[TYPO3-hci] Motivations, WAS: 4.1 = menubar/iconbar/dashboard; lets go!

[Maximo Cuadros]

Hi, i just want collaborate on the project, no matter what function (i
prefer one interesting), i just want collaborate for improve my skills
on workgroup and collaborate with Typo3 community.

Then just tellme on what i can help i will do it.

Best regards.

On 10/12/06, Kasper Skårhøj <kasper2006 at typo3.com> wrote:
> Thanks JoH  ( :-) )
>
> Caught me a few months back, I would agree. In the meantime I
> realized what healthy Open Source is made of:
>
> Lets assume we have a 90-10 balance (probably worse) between
> stakeholders and actual contributers to usability on this list (and
> TYPO3 in general). Here are two strategic scenarios:
>
> 1: "OK, lets hear everyones opinion, then decide on a solution and we
> will find someone to implement it".
> This is such a nice and comforting thing to hear for the 90% that
> hopes to get their problems solved by someone else. But it seriously
> wears on the 10% contributers who will rightly ask, why they have to
> do all the work they have no self-interest in.
>
> 2: "I don't care - for me it works"
> This is very disturbing for the 90% stakeholders who now realize that
> if they want it to work for them, they have to be _active_ with more
> than ideas to get their agendas through. For the 10% contributers
> their motivation will stay intact because they can improve the
> software for their own needs - and will do so next month again.
>
> Scenario #1 will by time shift the balance from 90/10 towards 99/1
> while Scenario #2 will shift from 90/10 towards, say, 80/20 or better
> (or the project will get "cleaned up" to a 100/0 balance because the
> 90% gets mad and leave).
>
> "I don't care - for me it works" sounds quite negative, but the sum
> of such claims is very positive as long as everyone has a fair chance
> to make it work for himself; and that is where I want to go because
> it is the very rationale behind why Open Source works: The Personal
> Itch. Watch my keynote podcast next week where I discuss this in more
> detail.
>
> I will therefore claim that your understanding of a "professional"
> and well working Open Source community is not on the mark and that my
> view is a more healthy way to lead our efforts.
>
>
>
> The TYPO3 Association offers you these ways to contribute:
> - Writing patches that are approved by members of the core team.
> - Extensions for anything you cannot get acceptance for in the core
> team.
>
> As a TYPO3 developer in general I offer you two things:
> - Create a framework everyone can contribute into (obligation due to
> role)
> - Solve my clients needs (personal itch)
>
> As the HCI team leader I offer you:
> - A mailing list to meet other people concerned about usability and
> through that the possibility of common ideas.
>
>
> For me, its no more, no less. Since this is foundational theory for
> me, I would like to hear if you find major problems with it.
>
>
> As for the HCI improvements to 4.1, I always said this was my
> _suggestion_, I have suggested my code as a _prototype_, invited
> people to _improve_ it, but if no one will contribute significantly
> on the _code_ side, you get what you see now.
>
> - kasper
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Oct 12, 2006, at 13:11 , JoHasenau wrote:
>
> > Let me extract the essence of this "discussion" since it's a good
> > example of
> > the major problem of current TYPO3 development.
> >
> > <snip>...</snip>
> >>> I think it's obvious that I will not invest my personal resources
> >>> into something that seems like a detour to me. So don't expect my
> >>> support in
> >>> this field there are other things to work on.
> >>
> >> Thanks for your view Elmar, I don't expect you to invest your
> >> resources into something you don't believe in. I feel exactly the
> >> same way which is why I will continue to do what I think is right or
> >> good enough to scratch my itch.
> >
> > It's funny to read statements like these, when on the other hand
> > people are
> > called stubborn and told to show more _respect_ just by using a
> > real name
> > (which IMHO is still something that doesn't exist in virtual
> > communities)
> >
> > I can't see professionalism or respect in both of your statements.
> >
> > Of course there is some truth in Elmars thoughts about accessibility,
> > although I personally doubt that it will have that big influence on
> > the
> > future success of TYPO3 as he mentioned in his statement. But I
> > don't think
> > it will bring the project any further, if he simply refuses to
> > contribute
> > instead of starting a constructive disccussion.
> >
> > On the other hand Kaspers statement shows the major lack of the
> > current
> > TYPO3 project: Many things are done in a way that is "good enough
> > to scratch
> > ones itch". As long as they are done this way just because the
> > developer
> > didn't know better it is not that bad, because at least there is
> > something
> > available that can be used even if it it's not always very useful.
> > But when
> > it comes to situations where people try to discuss things, try to
> > show other
> > ways to improve the solution in terms of accessibility, performance,
> > security or whatever and they just get a simple "I don't care - for
> > me it
> > works" IMHO this shows much more disrespect than using a nickname
> > in a NG.
> >
> > I would expect more professionalism from both the leader of the ECT
> > and the
> > chairman of the TYPO3 project and I would really like to get the best
> > menubar solution for TYPO3 since this would "scratch the itch" of
> > many more
> > people ...
> >
> > Joey
> >
> > BTW: You might have noticed the change in my sender name? Respect. ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Wenn man keine Ahnung hat: Einfach mal Fresse halten!
> > (If you have no clues: simply shut your knob sometimes!)
> > Dieter Nuhr, German comedian
> > openBC: http://www.cybercraft.de
> > T3 cookbook: http://www.typo3experts.com
> >
> >
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>
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