[TYPO3-doc] TYPO3-project-documentation Digest, Vol 76, Issue 7
Sabine Hueber
sabine.hueber at designeon.de
Sat Jan 29 15:32:27 CET 2011
Hi all,
the Share is a little difficult to compose but from my point of view it`s ok. When it is the official TYPO3 corporate font, it is important to apply it. But it may be applied sparingly. (only for the headlines) I would never use it for main texts which have more than 2 lines. (e.g. the title page)
The bigger headlines I would set in roman style, the smaller ones don`t have enough "contrast" to the text yet. I would set them in bold style. Important is, to have always enough space between the headlines and the main text. This could be reduced a little, when the smaller headlines get "prominent" enough in relation to the main text. (would happen when set to bold)
Something else I want to say: In my opinion the Share and the Serif-Type for the main text don`t suit to each other very well. (What is the name of the main text font?) I know, it should be a open source typeface and it is so difficult to find a functional, good readable font for main text. May we can have a look for another one? Could it also be a sans serif font? Sans serif fonts are better readable on screens and they work good for printing too.
Three things are important: The font for the main text should fit to the Share, it should be plain (no twirls or unnecessary ad-ons) and it needs to be absolutely well readable. I found a open source font which seems to be capable: The freeSans. I added a Screenshot of the font. What do you think about?
It would be nice to have the bold style of the Share and the Office Template. So we could develop the typography together.
Cheers,
Sabine
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 06:47:26 -0500
> From: Patrick Gaumond <gaumondpatrick at hotmail-no-spam.com>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> On 2011-01-28 04:19, Fran?ois Suter wrote:
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>> I made two variants, one with Share Bold (with some smaller titles in
>> Share Regular) and one with only Share Regular:
>>
>> http://d.pr/Kesx
>> http://d.pr/QMjp
>>
>> I'm not going to say anything in order to avoid influencing your
>> opinion. What's your favorite variant?
>
> "Strangely" the bold one at least on screen (no printer around).
>
> I like obvious things...
>
> Patrick
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:56:52 +0100
> From: Susanne Moog <typo3 at susannemoog.de>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> On 28.01.2011 10:19, Fran?ois Suter wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>>> I will make a try (probably tomorrow) and come back with instructions
>>> for updating existing documentation.
>>
>> I made two variants, one with Share Bold (with some smaller titles in
>> Share Regular) and one with only Share Regular:
>>
>> http://d.pr/Kesx
>> http://d.pr/QMjp
>>
>> I'm not going to say anything in order to avoid influencing your
>> opinion. What's your favorite variant?
>
> hm, hard. I like the regular with the bigger headlines (like chapter and
> next level heading) but for me it's looking to indistinctive for the
> smaller headline like lower level heading and "smallest heading". The
> bold is for me a bit "too much" for the big headlines.
>
> Thx for your work!
>
> susanne
>
> --
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:05:29 +0100
> From: Hermann Ragaller <hermann.ragaller at hrex.de>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> I'm in favour of the bold one :-)
> I find it visually more appealing.
>
> Hermann
>
>
> Am 28.01.2011 10:19, schrieb Fran?ois Suter:
>> I made two variants, one with Share Bold (with some smaller titles in
>> Share Regular) and one with only Share Regular:
>>
>> http://d.pr/Kesx
>> http://d.pr/QMjp
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 13:25:47 +0100
> From: Philipp Gampe <typo3.lists at philippgampe.info>
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> Hi Francois,
>
> Fran?ois Suter wrote:
>
>> I made two variants, one with Share Bold (with some smaller titles in
>> Share Regular) and one with only Share Regular:
>>
>> http://d.pr/Kesx
>> http://d.pr/QMjp
>
> I go for the bold variant.
>
> Best regards
> --
> Philipp Gampe
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:11:53 +0100
> From: Daniel Bruessler <danielb at typo3.org>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> Hello Francois,
>
> I see it like Susanne, the bold one would be too strong.
>
> It's good, that we can use this font now! The licence of the "share" font should be share-a-like, otherwise the name of this family wouldn't be correct ;-)
>
> Greets!
> Daniel
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>>> I will make a try (probably tomorrow) and come back with instructions
>>> for updating existing documentation.
>>
>> I made two variants, one with Share Bold (with some smaller titles in Share Regular) and one with only Share Regular:
>>
>> http://d.pr/Kesx
>> http://d.pr/QMjp
>>
>> I'm not going to say anything in order to avoid influencing your opinion. What's your favorite variant?
>>
>> Note that this is about totally replacing Gillius n?2, as we're not going to have 3 font families inside the document. Maybe in some places it would make sense to use Baskervald instead of Share.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
>
>
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> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 14:24:13 +0100
> From: Jigal van Hemert <jigal at xs4all.nl>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> Hi,
>
> On 28-1-2011 10:19, Fran?ois Suter wrote:
>> I made two variants, one with Share Bold (with some smaller titles in
>> Share Regular) and one with only Share Regular:
>
> My choices in order of preference:
>
> 1. Gillius n?2
> 2. Share Regular
> 3. Share Bold
>
> The bold version makes it look too much like dark dots on a lighter
> background.
> Share is surprisingly hard to read despite the way the glyphs are designed.
>
> I sure hope you're not going to use the fixed width Share version for
> code samples...
>
> --
> Kind regards / met vriendelijke groet,
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 16:27:16 +0100
> From: Fran?ois Suter <fsu-lists at cobweb.ch>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> Hi again,
>
>> I will make a try (probably tomorrow) and come back with instructions
>> for updating existing documentation.
>
> Thanks for all your comments, here's version 2:
>
> http://d.pr/kLSx
>
> I also think that Share Bold is too heave for large titles. I have thus
> made it so in this version: globally all occurrences of Gillius n?2 (and
> I had missed a couple) are replaced by Share Regular, except for:
>
> - the smaller titles (Heading 4 + 5) where it was indeed hard to tell
> apart from the body text. In this case I used Share Bold.
> - in the table caption I switched to Vera Sans Mono, as it is a more
> technical information and Share looked out of place there.
> - for the table of contents I switched to Baskervald as it didn't look
> good to have the whole TOC in Share.
>
> My personal opinion is also that Share is not a very legible font, even
> when used just for headings. However it is our official font and it's
> proper that we should use it.
>
> Vera Sans Mono definitely stays for code samples IMO.
>
> Cheers
>
> --
>
> Francois Suter
> Cobweb Development Sarl - http://www.cobweb.ch
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 17:47:54 +0100
> From: Daniel Bruessler <danielb at typo3.org>
> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-doc] Share font
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> Hello,
>
> maybe it's enough if we use the share font just for the logo, the header information and the first page until "The content of this document is related to TYPO3
> - a GNU/GPL CMS/Framework available from www.typo3.org".
>
> So we would use it for the "wrapping of the present", but we would not have it for the text itself.
>
> Somebody who's profession is typography should help deciding this. ;-)
>
> Greets!
> Daniel
>
>> Hi again,
>>
>>> I will make a try (probably tomorrow) and come back with instructions
>>> for updating existing documentation.
>>
>> Thanks for all your comments, here's version 2:
>>
>> http://d.pr/kLSx
>>
>> I also think that Share Bold is too heave for large titles. I have thus made it so in this version: globally all occurrences of Gillius n?2 (and I had missed a couple) are replaced by Share Regular,
>> except for:
>>
>> - the smaller titles (Heading 4 + 5) where it was indeed hard to tell apart from the body text. In this case I used Share Bold.
>> - in the table caption I switched to Vera Sans Mono, as it is a more technical information and Share looked out of place there.
>> - for the table of contents I switched to Baskervald as it didn't look good to have the whole TOC in Share.
>>
>> My personal opinion is also that Share is not a very legible font, even when used just for headings. However it is our official font and it's proper that we should use it.
>>
>> Vera Sans Mono definitely stays for code samples IMO.
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>
>
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