[TYPO3-content-rendering] Roadmap Feature Request

[Elmar Hinz]

Peter Niederlag schrieb:
> Hi,
> 
> Elmar Hinz schrieb:
> [...]
> 
>>The last weeks have been hard for the core team and this situation excuses
>>something. But if all other efforts like that from CRG or ECT will
>>continously treated in this way it is very dismotivating for people and
>>they consequently withdraw from the community. That again results in more
>>complaints of the core team, that it doesn't get enough support by others -
>>reasons housemade.
> 
> 
> I really can't see where efforts from CRG or ECT have not been taken
> serious by the core-team (except maybe some last minute request before
> 4.0 final).
> 
> I doubt anyone wants to discarourage you or anyone else from suggesting
> improvements.
> 
> 
>>But now to the point. It was time to publish TYPO3 4.0. It's simpley
>>version 4.0, it is not TYPO3 final. Accessibilty has been taken into the
>>focus too late to fix the most of bugs. I agree with Kasper that not
>>everything can be fixed 100%. But for the rendered content it is realistic
>>and even necessary to come close to 100%.
> 
> 
> Right, and 4.0 has on behalf of CRG made a jump from let's say 70% to
> about 90%. And as you might know, the last 10% always carry 70% of the
> total workload.
> 
> 
>>I guess the quality of the rendered content has been neglected by the core
>>team, because it is not even mentioned on the roadmap. It simply was no
>>target of TYPO3 4.0 and it is no target of 4.5 or 5.0. But I think it
>>should. I propose accessiblilty of content as an official target of 4.5. It
>>matches well with the name "The beauty pageant".
> 
> 
> Maybe I missed a lot of points but imho 4.0 has improved a lot on these
> matters. There are a lot of changes that were part of other extensions
> or requests from this group, and now integrated in the
> core/css-styled_content.
> 
> Maybe it is really rather a matter of communication if you say that the
> core-group has disrespected a lot of proposed suggestions and
> improvements by CRG/ECT?
> 
> IMHO it might help if we invent an 'accessibility' category in the
> bugtracker in Core-project so we can really have an easy overview of all
> these issues. What do you think?
> 
> At least I can assure you I am all in favor of improving this matter but
> also I must admit that I can't spend my whole (spare) time on this.
> 
> Greets,
> Peter
> 

Hello Peter,

> P.S.: To me it is demotivating if people say the core-group doesn't know
> what they're are doing or if the improvements 4.0 has made are neglected.
> 

the one follows of the other ... if people are in the position of the core
they have the special responsibility to integrate the work of the
satellites in the first place. It they overload themself instead and don't
find this balance it leads rarther to frustration than applaus ...

> P.S. II: I miss comments/discussions/engagement in threads like
> 

> From: Sebastian Kurfuerst <sebastian at garbage-group.de>

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> From: Martin Kutschker <martin.kutschker-n0spam at no5pam-blackbox.net>

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> From: Peter Niederlag <niederlag at ikd01.de>

I know this feeling pretty much. If you take poeple serious, asking them
for proposals or commonts directly they suddenly get pretty silent, even if
   they are talking and talking in every other situation. That's one of the
mysteries of life. It's often more efficient to collect comments than
directly asking for them. At least one need to ask pretty often.

Sebastians and Martins posting are from short before new year, when only
few people read the lists ... Who should answer to postings from last year?
Most people don't even read postings from yesterday. :-)


Regards

Elmar