[TYPO3-english] Back-end module "pages" still rendered with tables

Jigal van Hemert jigal at xs4all.nl
Fri Feb 26 05:01:30 CET 2010

Christopher Torgalson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 5:11 PM, JoH asenau <info at cybercraft.de>
> wrote:
>> IMO there's no real need for a tableless backend at all. If you
>> take closer look for example at the extJS interface components,
>> which will make a major part of the BE in T3 4.4+, you will notice
>> that they do use lots of nested tables as well, because they make
>> the look and feel cross browser compatible much more easily.

Is that the real reason? Maybe it's just because a lot of components
represent a tabular form?

> I'm very disappointed to hear this. Regardless of whether or not
> there are any actual problems caused by the use of layout tables, I'm
>  absolutely certain that this will be perceived negatively, and that
> it will hinder wider adoption of TYPO3.

Tables are not evil and certainly not something that shouldn't be used
at all. Many components of an interface are in fact tabular data: list
module, file list, etc.

I've seen people using div's to render a file list; completely illogical
and unnecessarily complex to make it render correctly in every browser.

What should be avoided is using (nested) tables only for layout
purposes: to render a border around an object, etc. But even the
language view of a page module (each column representing a language) is
a logical candidate for a table.

> It's difficult enough to convince people that the CMS universe
> includes products other than Drupal and Wordpress, and this isn't
> going to help.

If the selection criterium is "does it use tables or div's in the 
backend" then I doubt that this person or organisation is ready for 
using TYPO3.
Most clients do not spend money on styling the BE; they do want to spend 
money to have the features they want and to configure the system in a 
such a way that it fits their work flow. The BE should be functional and 
must function correctly in the browser(s) which the client uses.

Regards, Jigal.

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