[TYPO3-dev] Master Style 4 Typo3

[Johannes Reichardt]

Hi Kasper,

Before switching to another group the rest of the list could share their 
opinions on this. OR - do it the typo3 way, just creating a new list for 
this? (sorry for nagging on you :)

- Johannes

> 
> I will not discuss this yet since I'm busy with other things that  
> overrule it for me. But I'm ok if you want to work with others on it.  
> Somehow I feel it belongs somewhere between the content rendering  
> group and ECT. So maybe on those lists?
> 
> - kasper
> 
> On Feb 21, 2006, at 21:54 , Johannes Reichardt wrote:
> 
>> Hi Kasper,
>>
>> great to hear you share that idea, if this is the right time and the
>> right place we could discuss what is needed.
>>
>> My supersimple idea in detail:
>>
>> a default and small "typo3.css" which is right next to the index.php,
>> containing a very conservative and simple style without backgrounds.
>>
>> for example:
>>
>> body {
>> 	font-familiy:arial,helvetiva,sans;
>> 	font-size:12px;
>> 	color:#00000;
>> }
>> h1 {
>> 	display:inline;
>> 	font-size:18px;
>> }
>> header1 {
>> 	font-size:16px;
>> }
>> .tdlist1 {
>> 	background-color:#ffffff;
>> }
>> .tdlist2 {
>> 	background-color:#eeeeee;
>> }
>> .error {
>> 	color:#ff0000;
>> }
>>
>> thats pretty much nothing but should cover (along with a few more
>> styles) 95% of the styling that is needed. If there is something more
>> the extension requests to update the typo3.css OR to include its own
>> stylesheet wherever it is used (and not everywhere ;)
>>
>> So this along with no other default styles in typo3 and extensions  
>> would
>> make things really easy.
>>
>> What else should be taken care of?
>>
>> - Johannes
>>
>>
>>> This idea is also on my heart. I haven't looked in detail on what the
>>> Content Rendering Schemes are but for version 4.5 I hope that
>>> defining a long lasting CSS strategy that can be used globally for a
>>> site and affecting all extensions (complying with it) will be a major
>>> point.
>>>
>>> - kasper
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 21, 2006, at 2:20 , Johannes Reichardt wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey there!
>>>>
>>>> Its late and my eyes are already burning after more than 12 hours
>>>> non-stop computing but nevertheless i would like to share an idea  
>>>> that
>>>> just came into my mind:
>>>>
>>>> How about a "masterstyle" for Typo3?
>>>>
>>>> Let me explain.
>>>>
>>>> Right now every extension tends to introduce its own new styles -  
>>>> new
>>>> backgrounds of tds, new font classes, new margins and paddings  
>>>> and so
>>>> on. Even worse all that oldschool font tags in the template. We all
>>>> know
>>>> the process of going through myriads of configuration places like  
>>>> the
>>>> constant editor, the default template, the stylesheet or even the
>>>> extension code itself for example. And after that your style is
>>>> stil not
>>>> really "consistent" and you have a huge mess with tons of different
>>>> stylesheets and oldschool tags.
>>>>
>>>> That really sucks big time.
>>>>
>>>> So how about a concept that gently invites extension developers  
>>>> to use
>>>> predefined styles of the mastertemplate which comes along with a  
>>>> clean
>>>> typo3 install? So we have by default styles for the body, tds,
>>>> borders,
>>>> errors etc.. and also for table lists, headers and so on. That way
>>>> a lot
>>>> of other things could be removed (like typoscript styling etc...)  
>>>> and
>>>> you still would keep complete flexibility overall.
>>>>
>>>> If you want to style your extension differently than just prepend
>>>> "ext_key" to the style and you use a whole own extension style.  
>>>> Or you
>>>> just add a few "styling exceptions" in the mastertemplate and off
>>>> you go.
>>>>
>>>> The point is to develop a template that is not too huge but still
>>>> covers
>>>> most cases in a usual typo3 installation. That template should be
>>>> publicitly known and used as much as possible.
>>>>
>>>> In the end it wouldn´t be just a dream but rather reality to  
>>>> install a
>>>> typo3 page out of the box in 30 minutes and completly style it along
>>>> with its extensions in another 30 minutes. And even better: You can
>>>> change things quickly without looking up tons of places anymore!
>>>>
>>>> Actually i´m afraid there is already a concept like this and just  
>>>> gets
>>>> not used enough or i misunderstood it - if so please ignore this
>>>> mail or
>>>> explain it to me, otherwise i would be glad to get comments on this
>>>> idea.
>>>>
>>>> Clean styles are the future! (Says a square-eyed-man ;)
>>>>
>>>> - Johannes
>>>>
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>>>
>>> - kasper
>>>
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> - kasper
> 
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