[Typo3-dev] RFC: new condition ORIG_TYPO3_VERSION - call for volunteers

[Johannes Reichardt]

Hi Kasper and folks,

> Hi Johannes,
> 
> 
>>Right now
>>it takes me most time to "choose" how to do things in typo3 than doing
>>it actually ;)
> 
> 
> thats an interesting sentence.
> 
> 1) I'm a little surprised that you - considering you very long history with 
> TYPO3 - still spend time to choose how to do things since I though most 
> long-timers had their favourites defined already. Anyway, thats not my main 
> point....:

Actually it gets better after a while but there are still many things 
that i just dont know. Knowledgs and possibilities of typo3 are vastly 
spread over the net and i always made things for my own projects or 
"low-budget" projects so i never intended to be a typo3 expert who gets 
paid for programming. so i didnt print out the docs or got a book to get 
the "big picture" yet. On the other hand even the nice be is still too 
"unintuitive" for many purposes, especially low or non-profit things 
where people dont want to waste time understanding things - thats not 
typo3s fault but has to do with the fact that most things are paied or 
very narrowed down to what is demanded.

> 
> 2) Providing "best-practice" or a golden path through TYPO3 for newbees is 
> something I have instinctively avoided - simply because I was too afraid of 
> pronoucing this or that way as THEE way (no, I don't mean Jesus this 
> time ;-)) because how would I know? 

you could know by expirience for example - if something works and doesnt 
limit the possibilities of the goal it might be the best way to go. for 
example i am still confused by the "open docs" drop down in the be since 
i just never need to use it and also don´t really know what happens if i 
choose a doc there (will my currently open doc be saved or not?) - just 
as a very small example for "too many ways" to my opinion.

I also know many sites that have be editors that actually use a highly 
customized fe just to make the workflow as easy as possible. i once 
tried to teach someone the be over the internet - they where always 
complaining its too difficult ;)

> What I would like is that everyone who think people spend too much time 
> "choosing" how to do things instead of doing them, they should make sure to 
> join the up-coming usability/ease-of-use efforts that we will launch in 
> spring-2006 because thats our chance to distill all the wisdom you have out 
> there into a better TYPO3-experience in version 4.5!

i am in - maybe the usability/ease-of-use efforts should be seen in 
terms of "intuitivity" in a more general way. Or how about merging be 
and fe completly with "profiles" for admins, editors, visitors etc..? :)

- Johannes

> 
> - kasper
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