[TYPO3-t3dd] T3DD Sold out
Frank Gerards
F.Gerards at esolut.de
Mon Mar 19 10:46:43 CET 2012
Hi Patrick,
any news on your aim to let the 50 ppl on the WIKI-waitinglist participate at the DevDays 2012 ?
Regards,
Frank
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Von: t3dd-bounces at lists.typo3.org [mailto:t3dd-bounces at lists.typo3.org] Im Auftrag von Patrick Lobacher
Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2012 08:53
An: t3dd at lists.typo3.org
Betreff: Re: [TYPO3-t3dd] T3DD Sold out
Hi there,
to be honest - in the beginning I was very convinced from the concept Thomas & Gina explained - but as time go by I'm a bit unhappy with a few parts of it and this is for the following reasons:
We planned with 6 tracks (and we wanted to have a open track there too)
- but now it seems, that we can fill up 7 tracks (have asked the location manager for another track and if we get em I could publish the
schedule) - but just with real workshops (and 3 talks so far) - no open track space anymore. And - this is important - I've done no kind of advertisement, no marketing at all. If I've done that - I think I would have received much more proposals.
As Steffen wrote - I had to cut the 2 slots workshops to 1 slot and the
3 slot to 2 - because we have no space in the schedule
Obviously we have that much people who are happy to do a workshop (which is great I think) :-)
On the other side I talked to a lot of people in the last months - beginner, intermediate, silent people and core people - every kind of people who are interested to be part of the community. And not one of them really understood why we had to restrict the T3DD in general. I defended the arguments of the event commitee (which is basically a good
one) but I saw that the community has another way of thinking - and because it is a community event (and not a "invitation-only-event" like a code sprint) we should respect them.
So I suggest, that people are happier to better have not enough attention in a slightly crowded workshop than not to be part of it at all.
We (the TYPO3 community) are getting bigger and bigger from month to month - and if there are enthusiastic developer - we have to take care of them I think.
The T3DD are the most important event for developer in my opinion - no BarCamp and of course not the Con (this is another topic we should take care about if I think of the feedback I had while talking to the people the last time) can take care about the developer - so we should be happy to have that much motivated people who want to work at and with TYPO3.
**** IMPORTANT: This is my personal opinion *****
T3DD: The place developer should be and new ones found (about 300-400
people)
T3CON: Much more business than developer topics (up to 1000 people for Europe, up to 300 people for North America)
T3CAMP: BarCamp-Style event (up to 200 people)
Code-Sprints: Closed developer event with invitation only (up to 50 people)
****
So my personal suggestion in the moment is to have 50 additional attendees this year (and 7 tracks) - what do you think Gina/Thomas - should we try it? ;-) The waiting list http://wiki.typo3.org/T3DD12 consists of 38 people and I know from a few other people who want to go there...
Have a great day and best whishes,
Patrick
P.S.: Shuttle busses are organized of course ;-) (the big ones)
P.S.S.: I fully aggree to you Thomas ("...forget to buy tickets..." *g*)
Thomas Hempel schrieb:
> Hi Steffen,
>
> first off all I want to make clear that the event committee is not
> organizing the events. The decisions about the size of an event, the
> location etc. etc. is made by the Organization Team. In the case of
> T3DD12 it's Sebastian Böttger and Patrick Lobacher.
> The Event Committee can steer, make suggestions and as we are an
> "official" gremium, we can of course veto certain things. But that's
> it, we don't want to take over the responsibility for the event organization.
>
> Anyways. Gina already explained, that the size of the Developer Days
> does not scale easily. I'm not gonna go through all the arguments
> again, but because you asked.
>
> The major difference between Workshops and Talks is that in a workshop
> we have tutors and in talks we have speakers. There is a reason why
> school classes are not bigger than 30 people. The tutor is supposed to
> work *with* the people. In comparison, a speaker "only" tells his
> presentation. The number of people in the audience is not relevant as
> long as anybody can hear you.
>
> There might be enough material for 300 people. I'm pretty sure we
> could bring up enough material for 600 people as well. But that is not the point.
>
> Do you want to have 10 or even 20 parallel tracks just to get more
> people in there? You have to have the rooms, you have to organize the
> catering, you have to provide hotel rooms etc. etc.
>
> For example, we could have done it bigger in Elmshorn but we just did
> not enough hotel rooms for the people. This might not be the case in
> Munich but this time the hotels are pretty far away. So there probably
> is a shuttle service in place (ATTENTION! This is only *my* guess. I'm
> not in the orga team. I don't know!).
>
> What sort of shuttle service do you want to have for 600 people?
> Please remember that the DD is mostly financed by sponsors and that it
> is not an event that is not supposed to gain money for the
> Association. So, more people simply means that the event needs more
> money to pay for all the "small things" nobody thinks about.
>
> Gina explained it very nicely. It's not about the size of the event.
> Actually it's the other way around. We want to keep up a certain spirit.
> And if that is sustained by limiting the number of participants, I'm
> fine with it. That does not mean that we don't want the event to grow.
> We just don't see a good way to do make it work in a bigger scale.
>
> We're open to any suggestions though. We already tried certain things
> like having a talk track *and* workshops. Wasn't received very well.
> We tried to get more people in there. AFAIK there will be a barcamp
> style open track this year.
> We even discussed some more radical changes like canceling events or
> merging them.
>
> So if you have any concrete suggestions about this, I'm would love to
> discuss them with you. :-)
>
>
> Thanks for your input and best wishes, Thomas
>
>
>
> P.S.: On a personal note. I really wonder why we go through this every
> single year. ;-) I mean everybody knows the tickets are limited.
> Everybody is so eager to go to the event and asks over and over when
> registration starts. But than, when the sale starts, people seems to
> forget that they actually have to buy the tickets.
> I admit, that this year was extremely fast sold out but nevertheless
> the registration ran 11 days until all tickets where gone.
>
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