[TYPO3-t3dd] T3DD Sold out

Mon Mar 19 15:09:23 CET 2012

Hi Frank

we will decide at the end of this week

All the best
Sebastian

Am 19.03.2012 um 10:46 schrieb Frank Gerards:

> Hi Patrick,
> 
> any news on your aim to let the 50 ppl on the WIKI-waitinglist participate at the DevDays 2012 ?
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Frank
> 
> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
> Von: t3dd-bounces at lists.typo3.org [mailto:t3dd-bounces at lists.typo3.org] Im Auftrag von Patrick Lobacher
> Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2012 08:53
> An: t3dd at lists.typo3.org
> Betreff: Re: [TYPO3-t3dd] T3DD Sold out
> 
> Hi there,
> 
> to be honest - in the beginning I was very convinced from the concept Thomas & Gina explained - but as time go by I'm a bit unhappy with a few parts of it and this is for the following reasons:
> 
> We planned with 6 tracks (and we wanted to have a open track there too)
> - but now it seems, that we can fill up 7 tracks (have asked the location manager for another track and if we get em I could publish the
> schedule) - but just with real workshops (and 3 talks so far) - no open track space anymore. And - this is important - I've done no kind of advertisement, no marketing at all. If I've done that - I think I would have received much more proposals.
> 
> As Steffen wrote - I had to cut the 2 slots workshops to 1 slot and the
> 3 slot to 2 - because we have no space in the schedule
> 
> Obviously  we have that much people who are happy to do a workshop (which is great I think) :-)
> 
> On the other side I talked to a lot of people in the last months - beginner, intermediate, silent people and core people - every kind of people who are interested to be part of the community. And not one of them really understood why we had to restrict the T3DD in general. I defended the arguments of the event commitee (which is basically a good
> one) but I saw that the community has another way of thinking - and because it is a community event (and not a "invitation-only-event" like a code sprint) we should respect them.
> 
> So I suggest, that people are happier to better have not enough attention in a slightly crowded workshop than not to be part of it at all.
> 
> We (the TYPO3 community) are getting bigger and bigger from month to month - and if there are enthusiastic developer - we have to take care of them I think.
> 
> The T3DD are the most important event for developer in my opinion - no BarCamp and of course not the Con (this is another topic we should take care about if I think of the feedback I had while talking to the people the last time) can take care about the developer - so we should be happy to have that much motivated people who want to work at and with TYPO3.
> 
> **** IMPORTANT: This is my personal opinion *****
> T3DD: The place developer should be and new ones found (about 300-400
> people)
> T3CON: Much more business than developer topics (up to 1000 people for Europe, up to 300 people for North America)
> T3CAMP: BarCamp-Style event (up to 200 people)
> Code-Sprints: Closed developer event with invitation only (up to 50 people)
> ****
> 
> So my personal suggestion in the moment is to have 50 additional attendees this year (and 7 tracks) - what do you think Gina/Thomas - should we try it? ;-) The waiting list http://wiki.typo3.org/T3DD12 consists of 38 people and I know from a few other people who want to go there...
> 
> 
> Have a great day and best whishes,
> Patrick
> 
> 
> P.S.: Shuttle busses are organized of course ;-) (the big ones)
> P.S.S.: I fully aggree to you Thomas ("...forget to buy tickets..." *g*)
> 
> 
> Thomas Hempel schrieb:
>> Hi Steffen,
>> 
>> first off all I want to make clear that the event committee is not 
>> organizing the events. The decisions about the size of an event, the 
>> location etc. etc. is made by the Organization Team. In the case of
>> T3DD12 it's Sebastian Böttger and Patrick Lobacher.
>> The Event Committee can steer, make suggestions and as we are an 
>> "official" gremium, we can of course veto certain things. But that's 
>> it, we don't want to take over the responsibility for the event organization.
>> 
>> Anyways. Gina already explained, that the size of the Developer Days 
>> does not scale easily. I'm not gonna go through all the arguments 
>> again, but because you asked.
>> 
>> The major difference between Workshops and Talks is that in a workshop 
>> we have tutors and in talks we have speakers. There is a reason why 
>> school classes are not bigger than 30 people. The tutor is supposed to 
>> work *with* the people. In comparison, a speaker "only" tells his 
>> presentation. The number of people in the audience is not relevant as 
>> long as anybody can hear you.
>> 
>> There might be enough material for 300 people. I'm pretty sure we 
>> could bring up enough material for 600 people as well. But that is not the point.
>> 
>> Do you want to have 10 or even 20 parallel tracks just to get more 
>> people in there? You have to have the rooms, you have to organize the 
>> catering, you have to provide hotel rooms etc. etc.
>> 
>> For example, we could have done it bigger in Elmshorn but we just did 
>> not enough hotel rooms for the people. This might not be the case in 
>> Munich but this time the hotels are pretty far away. So there probably 
>> is a shuttle service in place (ATTENTION! This is only *my* guess. I'm 
>> not in the orga team. I don't know!).
>> 
>> What sort of shuttle service do you want to have for 600 people? 
>> Please remember that the DD is mostly financed by sponsors and that it 
>> is not an event that is not supposed to gain money for the 
>> Association. So, more people simply means that the event needs more 
>> money to pay for all the "small things" nobody thinks about.
>> 
>> Gina explained it very nicely. It's not about the size of the event. 
>> Actually it's the other way around. We want to keep up a certain spirit. 
>> And if that is sustained by limiting the number of participants, I'm 
>> fine with it. That does not mean that we don't want the event to grow.
>> We just don't see a good way to do make it work in a bigger scale.
>> 
>> We're open to any suggestions though. We already tried certain things 
>> like having a talk track *and* workshops. Wasn't received very well. 
>> We tried to get more people in there. AFAIK there will be a barcamp 
>> style open track this year.
>> We even discussed some more radical changes like canceling events or 
>> merging them.
>> 
>> So if you have any concrete suggestions about this, I'm would love to 
>> discuss them with you. :-)
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks for your input and best wishes, Thomas
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> P.S.: On a personal note. I really wonder why we go through this every 
>> single year. ;-) I mean everybody knows the tickets are limited.
>> Everybody is so eager to go to the event and asks over and over when 
>> registration starts. But than, when the sale starts, people seems to 
>> forget that they actually have to buy the tickets.
>> I admit, that this year was extremely fast sold out but nevertheless 
>> the registration ran 11 days until all tickets where gone.
>> 
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