[TYPO3-typo3org] Better Searchresult template

Ben O'Hear ben at revelate.com.es
Tue Feb 20 13:03:16 CET 2007

Hi Boris,

My views:

- Bullets: To mis-quote Steve Jobs "You're using the Typo3 logo in vain". 
[1] I don't see the need
to bullet search results with anything, but definitely not with the logo.

- Links should be underlined red, not green or anything else. No exceptions 
(ok, one exception: navigation).

- I think the search screen would be great for an advanced search. I'd like 
the basic search to be, well, basic (search field, search button, advanced 
search link). It's an awful lot of decisions to be making on the default 

- I might be wrong here, but I find"order by" business more confusing than 
useful. Would anyone on this list actually use it?

- The search field and button need to appear on the results page, so the 
user can refine the search without having to click a link and lose the 
context. I can live with the advanced options being hidden behind a click. 
Possibly a snazzy javascript layer is the way to solve that one. (in fact 
that works for the basic search page too, providing state is handled well).

- Try and avoid reversed type (White type on dark backgrounds). I think the 
tickboxes could look great with the type black on a slightly darker grey 
than the one behind it (if that makes sense). Another option would be to 
remove the background to the search form and only have it for the tickboxes.

- Button: I really like the look of it, although I find the contrast a bit 
on the low side. Again black type, light background would be better IMO. I'm 
also not enamoured of how it moves on rollover. Looks like it's running 

- Which is not to say that some reaction on rollover and click are a bad 
thing - that's very useful feedback.

- Though a more global question is: Do we need to use anything but a bog 
standard button input? Mac users will get a shiny button, Windows users will 
get a less shiny one, and all will be completely familiar with whatever they 
get. Also saves us worrying about getting all the behaviours right.

- I think the paging should only at bottom - you probably don't know you 
haven't found what you wanted untill you've reached the bottom of the page.

- This is personal taste, but I would not go for putting the paging links on 

Voila. Hope this isn't too much nitpicking (if it's any comfort I am 
regularly on the receiving end of it :-). It is coming along very nicely, 
and comparing it to the current search really shows that.




"redacted user" <redacted-user at example.org> wrote in message
news:mailman.1.1171309398.28072.typo3-team-typo3org at lists.netfielders.de...
> Hi ben and *,
> thanks for feedback. I reworked the mockup based on your input.
> Additionally i made a version (and some mutations) for the 'startpage' of
> the search.
> Have a look:
> http://screens.typoheads.at/t3org/search/
> The t3.org pages for comparison:
> http://typo3.org/index.php?id=1344
> http://typo3.org/index.php?id=1344&tx_indexedsearch[sword]=typo3
> @ Startpage:
> I'm not sure if the sections are too difficult to make for typo3.org (from
> a technical view). Would be nice if somebody who has insight of the
> pagetree of typo3.org and knows how the search is configured could provide
> some feedback on this topic. The points in the sections don't follow a
> real concept, it was led by the feeling what could be useful for
> constricting the search in order to get better results. To clarify which
> points to take, I suggest an analysis of the statistics of typo3.org to
> identify which sections are most visited.
> regards,
> Boris
> Ben O'Hear schrieb:
>> Hi Boris,
>> I agree - big improvement. Couple of comments (largely based on the
>> principle of "if it's good enough for Google..."):
>> - Writing "Page 1, Page 2, etc" is a bit redundant. How about: "Page: 1
>> 2 3  4"? Also the link to the current page should really be disabled.
>> - Unless I'm missing some hidden meaning, the icons serve no purpose,
>> dominate visually and don't even look that good. I'd suggest losing them.
>> - "Start Search" would be clearer as just "Search"
>> - Personally I agree with removing the relevance score - the relative
>> relevance is implicit in the ordering and the absolute one is unlikely to
>> mean much to the user.
>> - On the other hand the "Result X-Y from Z" was kind of nice.
>> - Is it actually useful to have "order by..."? That's the kind of thing
>> which is invaluable on structured data but I find a bit pointless on free
>> text searches. If we have to have it, I would suggest moving it to an
>> "advanced" screen.
>> - That way the button could also be on the same line as the search field
>> ...
>> - ... which could be about twice as wide.
>> - On the topic of which, although this is probably not your doing, why
>> are the titles truncated so early?
>> - Is there any chance we could get the button to look like a button
>> (3D-ish 'n' all that)?
>> Best,
>> Ben
>> "Daniel Brüßler" <info at -remove-patchworking.de> wrote in message
>> news:mailman.1.1170717064.12282.typo3-team-typo3org at lists.netfielders.de...
>>> Hi Boris,
>>> I like it! Looks very good, the green and the softed gray are a good
>>> idea. We shall use it.
>>> Two questions are left for me:
>>> * Why is the "?0" also in your search-results?
>>> * What's with the relevance-percentage-number? That's a nice feature
>>> IMHO
>>> kind regards
>>> Daniel Brüßler
>>> redacted user schrieb:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> I made a better searchresult page for Typo3.org. 'Better' is meant as
>>>> getting an easy overview of the result with keeping a relaxed eye and
>>>> mind.
>>>> At the moment:
>>>> http://typo3.org/index.php?id=1344&tx_indexedsearch[sword]=typo3
>>>> Mock-up with the same data:
>>>> http://screens.typoheads.at/t3org/search/
>>>> Tested on Win ie6/7, FF, Opera; Mac Safari, FF
>>>> If somebody decides that this should be implemented on the live system
>>>> i can certainly help out to do this. I can provide the indexed_search
>>>> template, css and typoscript.
>>>> Email: redacted-user at example.org
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Boris
>>>> PS: btw there is a bug in the url of the path:
>>>> "?0=" is added at the end of the url. don't know for what..

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