[TYPO3-typo3org] TYPO3.org nice but 800px?

[Kasper Skårhøj]

On Feb 15, 2006, at 11:08 , Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3] wrote:

> Hi Kasper,
>>
>> I don't think we need usability experts in this case; a) The
>> community using this website daily are all professionals in this
>> business and fully able to express what fits them best. b) Usability
>> rules like "450 pixels" this and that may not apply as well on
>> special-purpose sites like TYPO3.org
>
> It's not a popular demand by my counting - yet. I say, let's give  
> it some
> time and not hurry.

Absolutely agree.

>
>>
>> So; We have all the input right now that we need to improve the site,
>> why not make those few adjustments to the CSS until people are happy.
>> Then of course make sure Rasmus find the changes acceptable according
>> to the CI.
>
> Again, I have no stakes in this, but I don't see why a wider design  
> would be
> needed or would make the content more readable.

There are certain tables which can't be condensed enough. For those  
I'm inclined to think that removal of the gray border is enough,  
maybe supported by a slightly wider page width.

Other than that I would personally prefer a smaller font-size  
generally: The site is so information intensive that large fonts  
makes  it hard to get an overview and also "magnifies" the impression  
of overwhelmind amount of information.

I think the "site dimensions" of the old typo3.org were close to  
perfect.

Lets see what others say.

@raz: Are you following?

>
> The TER certainly works just as well in the limited width, once the  
> output
> is fixed and very few pages (like the server compatibility page)  
> use large
> tables.

I still prefer smaller fonts.
Pages like this will not look pretty without it:

http://typo3.org/documentation/document-library/references/ 
doc_core_tsref/current/view/5/8/

>
>> I don't mind a few iterations here, that saves us the most time and
>> less talk.
>
> I'll stop talking now and let Robert do his work. He should take his
> decisions in due course when he has fixed the more important issues.
> At least that is my resumée for today.

OK, me too.

- kasper



>
> Cheers
>
> Daniel
>
>
>>
>> - kasper
>>
>>
>>
>> On Feb 15, 2006, at 10:53 , Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3] wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> 1. Fixed width layout for no reason.
>>>>>
>>>>> Design - full stop.
>>>>
>>>> That is of course a reason overruled by usability in the developer
>>>> context.
>>>
>>> Usability demands text to range wider than 450 pixels, or so I am
>>> told by
>>> the experts. That rules out fluid width entirely, I guess.
>>>
>>>> I would be surprised if there will be (m)any defendants of the
>>>> design-
>>>> choice vs. usability during the next days - which leads to one
>>>> irrejectable conclusion: Change it.
>>>
>>> I will invite Ben, the designer and usability expert to discuss
>>> this with
>>> everybody, I have no stakes in this.
>>>
>>> All will be well.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Daniel
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> - kasper
>>>>
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