[Typo3-typo3org] Hosting the TYPO3 sites

[Robert Meyer]

Hello!

I don't like the actualy hosting-discussion. The actual situation is, that
typo3.org gets offline because of TER, DOCs etc. and not because of
connectivity, security etc. So the thing to do is to reorganise the parts
which causes the trouble - not to change hosting. punkt.de has offert this -
I don't hope just to become the typo3.org-hosting...

I would like it to see that:
- hosting stays with netfielders
- punkt.de's offer to pay half of the costs for 2 weeks of programming of 2
developers as offert

If hostings stays with netfielders I am willing to sponsor also some money
for development and help on programming the typo3.org-mirroring-concept. I
don't like to see that an active member is doing such sponsorship to get the
typo3.org-project and all the work of JHH will be a thing of the past - this
is not fair.

Robert Meyer
mittwaldmedien CM Services


"Michael Scharkow" <mscharkow at gmx.net> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:mailman.1.1113162003.12154.typo3-team-typo3org at lists.netfielders.de...
> Robert Lemke wrote:
>
> > As all of you know, we currently have a variety of difficulties with
> > TYPO3.org. Basically I'd boil these down to the following:
> >
> >   a) the technical design for the documentation section and the TER
causes
> >      too much load, a redesign is neccessary
>
> Yep. We all agree on that I guess.
>
> >
> >   b) the current hosting solution can't cope with this load and doesn't
> >      scale well, at peak times TYPO3.org is partly unusable and the TER
is
> >      not reachable. We don't have detailed information about the reasons
> >      when load is too high or the site fails generally.
>
> What can a hoster do with the current t3.org setup? I think the
> netfielders have done what could be given the current setup: MySQL does
> not scale too well, caching has not been used enough until now, the
> whole T3 installation is quite monolithic and therefor has to do dynamic
> lookups for a) docs, b) TER, c) fe-user stuff, d) mailinglists, e)
> comments and forum-like stuff, f) younameit
>
> If that can be split effectively on multiple machines, with more
> caching, I'd expect a lot better performance. I don't see how the pure
> hosting (hardware, bandwidth) has been a limiting factor.
>
> >
> >   c) debugging TYPO3.org is quite hard for me as I can do it only while
I
> >      have contact to someone of the netfielders staff. I currently have:
> >
> >        - a shell account to the TYPO3.com server which has the filebase
from
> >          TYPO3.org mounted into a directory
> >
> >      what I definately need for debugging is:
> >
> >        - control on restarting the webservers and flushing the
accelerator
> >          cache
> >        - an (S)FTP account for the TYPO3.org filebase
> >        - access on the PHP error log and the Apache logfiles
>
> I fully agree, and I think the responsible people should be root on
> "their" machines, since those boxes are not doing anything else anyway,
> do they?
>
> > As you can imagine, I representing the TYPO3 Association in this regard
and
> > therefore speaking for the community cannot ignore these offers just
> > because I think that Jan-Hendrik is a nice person. I can't ignore this
just
> > because I'm thankful what he did all the years for TYPO3, the lists and
the
> > websites.
>
> I don't see why Jan-Hendrik should disagree with this, unless you tell
> people that we move because netfielders sucked (which would be a gross
> lie as everybody knows). It's less work and costs for them, and
> everybody appreciates what they have done and still do for TYPO3.
>
> > I have discussed a lot with various people - members of the T3A, Jürgen,
> > Jan-Hendrik, members of the community - and finally have decided to
suggest
> > the following solution:
> >
> >   - keep the mailing lists at netfielders if they really put effort into
> >     switching to Sympa or making them controllable via SOAP in a certain
> >     way.
>
> The lists and newsgroups work like a charm and I see no reason to
> complain to netfielders. If Sympa is a better solution than mailman, go
> ahead...
>
> >   - Distribute hosting of the different sites instead of having one
provider
> >     for all. In particular I'd like to see the following distribution if
all
> >     parties agree:
> >
> >     netfielders: www.typo3.com, edu.typo3.com, gov.typo3.com,
> >                  news.typo3.org, typo3.netfielders.de
> >     ELIOS:       bugs.typo3.org, association.typo3.org, wiki.typo3.org
> >     punkt.de:    all remaining *.typo3.org, demo.typo3.com,
> >                  lists.association.typo3.org
>
> Is this an arbitrary suggestion, or does stuff that belongs together
> move to the same hosts? I see that the non-t3-powered stuff is hosted at
> elios, but why association.*? And why lists.association at punkt.de?
>
> But generally I welcome splitting up stuff (into really separate
> installations please!) because it reduces points of failure and we can
> split administrative and content responsibility.
>
> > Now I ask you to give me answers and your opinion to the following
> > questions:
> >   - Do you agree with this decision?
>
> Yes.
>
> >   - Should anyone else be asked before taking this decision? We need
some
> >     really trustworthy people and a quick and future-proof solution at
the
> >     same time.
>
> I think the only really future-proof thing IS splitting up hosting
> because hosters will stop their support, hardware will break, and
> therefore we should be worried about replacing things quickly instead of
> arguing about the trustworthiness of some or another company offering
> support.
>
> TYPO3 has become too big to handle for Kasper alone, for netfielders
> alone (given that they probably have other things to do for a living
> ;)), and this is actually a good thing for an open source project.
>
> Greetings,
> Michael