[TYPO3-t3skin] Newsgroup still alive?

[Jens Hoffmann]

To the Topic:

Design and HCI is still ongoing ... :)
More detailed Information will be public soon.

To you, Andreas:

How could you be so unfair to the teams and members?
Why do you push your own frustration under this topic?

1. The HCI-Team was never shut down!!
    We just official rebuild it, because it was somehow ineffective.
    We try buildup a strong team with good professionals.
    This is no closed team it is up to every one to get in,
    just like the core team.

2. The HCI-Team listen to and discuss a lot of things!
    We don't ignore anything. Why do you tell this?

3. Thomas Murphy is working with us on the new skin.
    He was inactive ... but now he like to get back in.
    And for me, if he really like to push things further,
    he is very welcomed to get his hands back on. :)

4. You (or lets say, Fabian Fritz) created some screens.
    Right. Lasse, me and a lot of others did this too ...
    Some where good, some where bad ... where is the
    problem, the community take/make the decisions of this ...

5. You send a lot of guys, Mails and Mails without any
    background and with the hope of grate feedback. Sorry,
    but this is not a good way. I read once, that you are
    trying to change the way you are communicating ..
    But you just keep on ... :(
    I understand that you like to be involved in the teams.
    But you please need to accept the team ways.

6. Thomas never told us about a co-teamleader.

7. ...

... hmmm ... plz, Andreas if you got a prob., send me a mail
and we try to fix it internal, if this is possible ...
instead of letting you frustration a free way on the list ...

Alexander, Kasper .. don't be shy to contact me directly.
There is a lot of work to do ... :) But if you like to code,
plz. get in contact with the code guys :) If you got good
design or interface skills ... hit me or Thomas (i guess).

-- 

Jens Hoffmann
[TYPO3 HCI Team Leader]

eMail: jens at typo3.org
Skype: WrYBiT



Andreas Balzer wrote:
> Hi,
> Kasper Ligaard schrieb:
>> Alexander Hahn skrev:
>>> As a developer I'm really interessted in particpate, especially in 
>>> the look and feel of TYPO3. Is their any way to help? How many people 
>>> style the back-end?
>>
>> Others will have to answer this question. I do not now. Sorry.
> 
> My view:
> As the hci team has been officially shut down without any real arguments 
> and was rebuilt as a small circle of people I don't know whether they 
> are looking for any help within the concept phase anylonger. Many 
> discussions that have taken place are simply ignored at the moment and 
> any attempt to inform the people that are part of the hci structure 
> simply ignore any emails concerning this topic.
> 
> Thomas Murphy (who was responsible for the 4.X skin until now) and me 
> have tried to work at the skins for the 4.X branch and the 5.X branch in 
> order to keep it consistent and create a base for the next UI. 
> Unfortunately both sections have been taken by the small circle of the 
> hci structure mentioned above. Anything we have done here (or better 
> said within Skype conferences) concerning a change to the skin with all 
> those new concepts by the former hci team has been rejected. Not only 
> because only some people didn't like some colors or so but also because 
> the original and discussed hci concepts didn't fit in their own new and 
> not discussed concepts. Well currently the hci people "create" the skin. 
> Or better: Change it as they like. Again: Our emails are simply ignored.
> 
> I think the actual coding is done by the core team or by the hci people 
> as well. But I - as an official co-teamleader of the skin team - and 
> afaik Thomas Murphy have currently no idea. Strange, right?
> 
> So again: This is only my view about the topic. But as I was very active 
> in the hci team and began to work within the skin team and was just 
> "replaced" as many many others without any arguments by the ECT, I am 
> asking myself everyday whether T3 4.X is about usuability because the 
> usuability "experts" mentioned everywhere have been thrown out as well.
> 
> Thanks for reading this.
> 
> Andreas Balzer
> P.S.: Post to the core team list, I think they might be able to help you.