[TYPO3-hci] BE vs FE

[Tapio Markula]

Waldemar Kornewald wrote:
> On 8/3/06, Tapio Markula <tapio.markula at dnainternet.net> wrote:
> 
>> > In your opinion Plone is not approaching it? I mean, creating a news
>> > item is as easy as clicking "Add" -> "News Item". Creating a page is
>> > as easy as clicking "Add" -> "Page".
>>
>> That could cause *extremely* irritating situations. I would hate plone
>> if that is the only possibility because there is then just two options,
>> which both are bad.
>> a) put page as sub-page - really irritating
>> b) put page after existing - works in most cases
> 
> 
> In Plone pages must be put into folders, so the page will always be
> added at the same level as the current page. To create sub-pages you
> must create a new folder.

in typo3 there are sevaral types of pages,
if normal page needs sub-page it is just normal page
system files sysFolder.

Typo3 has some page types, which are redundant, but it offers
very useful page types.

> I must say that I don't like this scheme.
New and then selection using icons as subpage, wizard or after
Not wery working because after is after all other records - a
little bit annoying.

> For TYPO3 we could have two items in a simple drop-down menu:
> "Add" -> "Page"
> "Add" -> "Subpage"

then also wizard - it is sometimes the best choise - and the only 
reasonable choise if you don't want to place a new page
immediately after existing page or as the *first* subpage.
If you want to set before or for example to the *second* subpage
wizard is the best choise. Without wizard you have sometimes need
to *afterward* move page into another place - really annoying in long 
term, believe me. Wizard is in this case the *fastest* solution because 
you don't need the position afterward!

> Another suggestion:
> Pop-up menus are somewhat evil and annoying. Skeletonz uses a nice
> alternative concept with in-place pop-ups (the developer calls them
> "grey pop-ups", I think).

some plugins use them and they might in overall be more supported in future.

  Please click one of those "Show Me" links or
> the "Login" link:
> http://orangoo.com/skeletonz/
> Those pop-ups should probably not be used for huge pages, but
> functions like "Info" or even "Add record" could probably be shown in
> such an in-place pop-up dialog. It would be a nice indicator of the
> connection between the current context and the previous context (nice
> feedback)...if there is any connection of course.
> 
> Bye,
> Waldemar Kornewald