[TYPO3-core] confused with refs/heads/TYPO3_4-X_backports

[Simon Schaufelberger]

Hi Ernesto,
i am wondering, why i still can see the remote branch on command line
level. is that somewhere hidden in my local git repository?

do i need to do something again and change my commit now? i didn't get that.

> since we are having that many regressions lately in 4.5.x releases which
> are making more people angry than happy, it makes us pretty scary to
> introduce even *more* potential for regressions in a version that we
> declared *stable*.

yes, this is a BIG point. i know about that very well and it is not the
first time that a later release was not more stable than the previous
one. I am wondering who made the tests and the reviews and declared it
as "working" even if it wasn't. This is a big pain so see that happen in
the worlds most used open source cms.

> Thus we will probably *not* have backported releases at all.

this raises a lot of questions. i think this is also the wrong way. We
from punkt.de have customers who have patched typo3 sources which is a
big pain when it comes to updates because then you have to manually
patch the core over and over again. Customers need to pay for upgrades
to major version so most of our customers still use 4.5 and how should
we than handle "unofficial releases"? This sounds like "non trusted"
releases and if only a few people take care about it, they have a lot of
responsibility as well so this is imho not a good idea.

seperating backport releases and security releases is very complicated.
what are security releaese based on? the latest backport or the latest
security release?

backports should get more tested with unit tests and selenium where
possible but should still be possible. An idea is also that the number
of +1 votes need to be higher in gerrit. You know it - no release is bug
free ;)

Am 24.05.2012 12:35, schrieb Ernesto Baschny:
> Hi Simon,
> 
> this is in part my fault of missing to inform more prominently our to
> the backports project since the initial announcement.
> 
> We started with a branch in our main repository
> (origin/TYPO3_4-5_backports), but having some technical drawbacks
> (permission) we decided to make a cloned repository instead
> (TYPO3v4/Backports.git). Later on the _backports branch in our main
> repository was deleted, which is why you don't find it anymore.
> 
> Now the newest development is that we are discussed canceling the the
> backports projects as a whole. It has received little to none interest
> (not one push to gerrit since).
> 
> 4.6 will for sure get no "backports" anymore (doesn't make sense), and
> since we are having that many regressions lately in 4.5.x releases which
> are making more people angry than happy, it makes us pretty scary to
> introduce even *more* potential for regressions in a version that we
> declared *stable*. It is probably the most widely used TYPO3 version on
> bigger "long-term" installations, and it gets more and more dangerous to
> have regressions included in patchlevel releases.
> 
> Thus we will probably *not* have backported releases at all.
> 
> Please share your thoughts about it. Maybe we can find some other kind
> of solution (e.g. having some place hosting "non-official TYPO3 4.5 LTS
> patches" or a stable backports repository which is not packaged as an
> "official release")?
> 
> The Core Team attention needs to focus on 6.0 development by now and
> since the resources are scarce, we face the decision of keeping most
> focus on making the next release the best release ever. Also consider
> that 6.0 support time will almost reach the EOL of 4.5 LTS.
> 
> Cheers,
> Ernesto
> 
> Simon Schaufelberger schrieb am 24.05.2012 11:40:
>> Hi,
>> I just wanted to make a backport of a bug and did that with:
>>
>> git checkout -b rfc/4-5/33629 origin/TYPO3_
>>
>> now with pressing tab i see:
>> - origin/TYPO3_4-5
>> - origin/TYPO3_4-5_backports
>>
>> going to git.typo3.org i only see:
>> refs/heads/TYPO3_4-5
>> but no
>> refs/heads/TYPO3_4-5_backports
>>
>> I have used the _backports but pushed to refs/heads/TYPO3_4-5. was that
>> correct?
>>
>> https://review.typo3.org/#/c/11568/
>>
>> what about this repo?
>> http://git.typo3.org/TYPO3v4/Backports.git
>> ??? aaaaaaaaaaarg...????
>>
>> I AM CONFUSED!!!
> 
> 

-- 
Kind regards,

Schaufi from punkt.de