[TYPO3-core] RFC: #7573: Page properties: Make author and author_email visible instantly

[Dmitry Dulepov [typo3]]

Hi!

Steffen Kamper wrote:
> thats the reason i talk a lot to Uschi Renzhausen because she makes a lot of 
> praxis training with real people, and she looks to it from their side and 
> not from devolper.

Uschi is not TYPO3 HCI specialist. You should have asked Jens. Nothing against Uschi  but we have an expert in HCI, who must be consulted in all works related to UI!

I am not sure if Uschi uses BE daily herself. But I do. And my editors do. And none of us likes new BE. More on this below.

> And if she asks for this eg which is really needed in praxis i believe it, 
> because the editors should feel comfortable.

They don't.

> I also like the slides from Jens and will work on this with Jens to get it 
> better styled, but this will be for 4.3 because the time was too short for 
> 4.2. We have settled a meeting with Jens, Ben, Patrick and Benni where this 
> HCI-thoughts will be respected and we will see if it will be more 
> userfriendly.

Well, it should all have started with consulting Jens. He is the HCI specialist and all changes in BE should be approved by him. Actually, I expected they were approved but it seems they are not???

Jens is not just for styling or making icons. He should be asked how BE should look like! Not icons but whole BE! He *is* the guy who knows how it must be! Good programmer is not the same as good HCI specialist. Every big successful company or porject has HCI specialist who defines how system should look like. This is not programmer's decision but HCI specialist decision! In TYPO3 4.2 it went to hands of programmers again, which is wrong!

> So 4.2 is just a step on that way, though it's not optimal at all. but i 
> think it's much more clean than old backend was.
> Also everyone can work with old backend if wanted.

I rather think I drop templavoila and realurl and start my own BE project. May be I should have done that instead of comments, ratings, and supporting templavoila/realurl/tt_news. I think about since last t3dd but I though it would be created by others according to Jens ideas. Nothing like that happened...

I think current steps are go to the wring direction. They do not make BE cleaner, they make it more difficult. People have to spend more time with new BE than with old BE to perform their work. BE is not intuitive as it was hoped.

> Also bringing this all in 4.2 is a good chance to get feedback from the user 
> testing it, and if something isn't good for most people we are free to 
> change it.

Yes. that's right. About feedback. I kept my feeling quiet because I thought they are only mine. But today I got fifth negatve feedback from fifth editor. This is 100% negative feedback from people who have to work with TYPO3 every day. This is a lot for me to start worrying.

I am really sorry to write all this. You, Ingo and others made lots of great programming for 4.2 UI! But I think at some point programmers became obsessed with technical things and forgot about usability and target audience of our product.

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Dmitry Dulepov
TYPO3 core team
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