[TYPO3-core] IRRE implementation bugs

[Kasper Skårhøj (GMAIL)]

>
> Well, that's not quite true. When you look at moving or copying of
> records, IRRE children are always copied/moved along with the parent.
> (That is also why it's highly suggested to disable showing IRRE child
> tables in the list module.)
> So in those cases, they ARE treated as one object inside TYPO3s  
> core as
> well.

OK, but thats a bit I don't get. Why shouldn't it be possible to  
share a child between two records as we can with normal group fields?

In an implementation with these constraints, it has many implications  
for the core parts elsewhere. What if I make a copy of a child? What  
if I move it? What if I delete it? What if I link to it from another  
record? Am I not then breaking the concept of "exclusive parenthood"?

I can understand that someone wishes to copy a parent and have the  
children follow, but it shouldn't be a rule that it always should  
happen like that. It should simply be a special implementation of a  
copy command that does this automatically for people. For instance,  
if you put to records to the clipboard and the one has a relation to  
the other and make a copy of the clipboard, the relation is mapped.  
The same for IRRE records; A copy command that wishes to copy the  
"whole object" as seen from a certain application should traverse the  
structure and issue a copy command on all elements in one sessions -  
then tcemain takes care of the rest.

Actually I hope IRRE would work like this; That it could _also_ be  
"just a clever way" because there will be applications where you  
would like the nested form view but without the implications when you  
make a copy or move the elements.


- kasper



>
>> If we wish to make them versioned all together we must invent a
>> meta-concept for grouping versions somehow. This could be useful  
>> for other
>> things too, for instance someone wanted a new element verison of a  
>> page to
>> trigger element versions of all content elements on the page -  
>> well, ok, then
>> but we must invent a new meta-concept for this. So far my concerns  
>> with IRRE in
>> general, forgive me if I am not right about the implementation,  
>> after all I just
>> concluded from the core.
>
> Yes, maybe that'd be something to think about.
>
> Now regarding the specific bug you found:
>
>> [...]
>>
>> Ergo, we select directly from offline records which is by  
>> definition forbidden.
>> The right way is to first select the live record, then look for an  
>> overlay record.
>>
>> I can't say exactly what the wanted effect for IRRE shoudl be but  
>> definitely
>> this is wrong and gotta be a bug lots of people are having with  
>> workspaces now.
>
> OK. If that's so, I agree that you are the one who decides what's  
> wrong
> or right regarding workspaces and therefore am fine with you reverting
> Dmitry's change.
>
>> Conclusions:
>> - Remember, since August I'm the authority on versioning and  
>> workspaces and I
>> must approve any non-trivial change to these parts. This is to  
>> avoid these
>> situations because we have realized that the core team as a unit  
>> doesn't
>> understand this technology well enough to maintain it error-free.
>
> I didn't notice when that decision was made, but agree that it's  
> sensbile.
>
>> - Question: Are you sure IRRE is conceptually sound? Did any of my  
>> concerns ring
>> true?
>
> Regarding workspaces the answer is definitely No, but apart from that,
> I'd say yes, but it works differently to how you think it works.  
> IRRE is
> not only "just a clever way interface". Inside TYPO3s core a record  
> and
> its children IS treated as one object when copying and moving. That
> needs to be considered when thinking about possiblities of IRRE
> versioning as well.



>
>> - I will revert this code issue
>
> Yep, fine with me.
>
> cheers
> Ingmar
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- kasper

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