[TYPO3-ttnews] Switch to news

[Georg Ringer]

Hi Robert,

thanks for the input.


Am 17.09.2011 13:39, schrieb Robert Wildling:
> This discussion is characterized by the very standard arguments coming
> from the core developers. And "The People behing TYPO3 is also you" is
> exactely one of them.

still true for all open source and community projects.

> Not all people behing TYPO3 are programmers - actually I assume only a
> small percentage is. 

and all others are also very important.

> So meanwhile as a web developer (in Europe at least) there is _no way_
> around TYPO3, if one wants to stay in business - whether you like TYPO3
> or not, you _need to know it_!

that is not true. Web developer is far more than just websites. there
are many other CMS which are powerful, not so much with open source but
still many others and also even other programming languages.

> Shall
> everybody donate to TYPO3 so that the features that are really necessary
> will one day get implemented? 

you will need other things than me. Just because you don't need DAM or
workspaces, this doesn't that many others also don't need it.

> I personally won't, because developers do
> their thing and seem to absolutely no be willing to implement the
> features that so many people need who made it famous - and who are now
> depended on TYPO3.

what are features which are needed by so many people?

> Is is nothing else but the truth that every other major CMS has a news
> module. 

Sorry but I don't really get *one* thing. What would the difference be
with hacing news as core extension than as normal extension? Only
difference would be that it is shipped within the core and not through
the extension maanager.

*Everything else* is the same:
- Bugs are fixed when somebody got time and interest (or is paid)
- It is developed by core developers
- Hard tries to make it easy to use, translated and well integrated with
the newest TYPO3 version.


> The - again - often read "excuse" that "the core team does not
> have the man power" ... is lame and boring. 

But still true ;)

> Why do you have the man
> power for a workspace module? Or a link validator? Or the new Extension
> manager? 

Because some people are interested in that features and got time or
being paid.


> Actually so admirable that I wonder what is so difficult with
> a basic news system? Extend the date functionalies, integrate a category
> system, maybe a new menu type for archive menues - and voila!

It so dificult because a simple thing is in many so cases so much not
that thing you need. TYPO3 is not just to make a website for your little
sisters rabbit ;)

> - A news system is needed by way more people than a workspace / link
> validator and other stuff

Maybe true, but the features needed are so different. As always, life is
not that simple.

> - A news system actually WAS ORIGINALLY SHIPPED with TYPO3 when Kaspar
> brought it to the market. It was maybe not very rich of features as was
> tt_news, but actually I do not understand why that respective news
> module wasn't developed any further. Please explain, core team.

TYPO3 got the concept of extensions. It is a tough decision to say
"extension xyz" should be a core extension. Therefore hardcoded stuff
should go out of the core. There is code inside the core about tt_board
& co and this is just wrong because it makes everything harder to maintain.


> Well - make news a core EXT again! It is just about time I'd say!


BTW just because news is not a core extension now doesn't mean that it
never will be. It is true: It was time for an extbase based news
extension. So what TYPO3 needs are uses which test this extension, help
at many places like providing better templates, a better manual and so
on to make the extension even better because the end user doesn't really
care if it is an core ext or not.

> The problem with all that discussion here is that we as users won't have
> any chance either way, because the core team cooks its own soup - a vey
> good soup, but not one for every day hunger. 

Well said but I doubt the core team will ever create a dinner which fits
*everybody*

> Meanwhile, actually, I think it is too late to incorporate a news
> feature into the core. 

changing it would be easy but again I dont get it what would change for
you. This wouldn't bring any guarantee that the news extension would get
even better just because it is in the core.

> how well is TYPO3 core code, if it is sooo
> difficult and / or time consuming to implement a news feature? 

writing a sys ext is the same as writing a normal ext.

> Putting
> all the weight on Rupi who did a great job with tt_news does not seem
> fair to me at all!!! 

and as far as I know, there was hardly any positive effect for rupi. He
didn't get much donations or similiar.

> There must be reason why he left off from TYPO3...

Ask him ;) I know that feeling too, having sometimes not so much time
for the core or for my extensions because TYPO3 is just not the most
important thing in my life.

> Again - core team, beloved core team: it is really time to rethink!!!
> You do get lost in all your fancy configuration stuff and additional
> features that you completely lost the view for the things that are needed!

I still thing: The core needs to be the thing which needs to be good.
Without this awesome extbase, news extension wouldn't be that cool *and*
I wouldn't have the chance to do many cool extensions for customer'S
projects (which will never be in TER).

And again: Use the news extension, make it better and will be better for
everybody, no matter if it is in the core or not.

Georg