[TYPO3-english] TYPO3 6.0 at the corner? How is it possible

Andreas Becker cocopapa at gmail.com
Sat Mar 10 04:04:00 CET 2012


 @ Hi Steffen

What Sander is trying to explain is exactly what happened throughout all
those years. why do you ignore it?

Check back the threads BEFORE there was the decision to build TYPO3 5.0.
Many of them described that the current situation what just happened
already than as it was forseeable but ignored by those "six" and pershps
more.

5 years ago there was the vision that TYPO3 will be out in maximum 2 years.
The redesign team had to "compete " with the Rasmus design and not really
liked it. I liked it by the way. but we tried to set up already structures
which were focused TYPO3V5 too on mind 42 before April 1st 2008
http://mind42.com/pub/mindmap?mid=4bce8b65-5177-4e83-b86c-09b5064127ed&rel=url

Already here we mentioned an "Unknown" branch!

In 2007 already community and even Association Members reminded the
Association heads to not work without the community!
http://lists.typo3.org/pipermail/typo3-german/2007-November/040699.html
The Thread is dealing with Licensing of TYPO3 future Versions!

Warum geht eine Association gegen die eigene Community vor. Was für einen
> Grund gibt es, sich als Association auf ein solches Level herunter
> zulassen, wo doch alles eigentlich im Geiste einer Community behandelt
> werden sollte (und Community hat doch irgendwas mit kommunizieren zu tun,
> oder habe ich da was falsch verstanden?).
> Also mit RA's sind in der Vergangenheit noch nie gute Fundamente für eine
> dauerhafte Zusammenarbeit gelegt worden. Ich kenne das aus großen und
> kleinen Unternehmen. Die Inanspruchnahme von Rechtsanwälten basiert in
> fasst allen Fällen auf der Sicherung von Ansprüchen, die ein bestimmter
> Kreis für sich beansprucht und auf denen wiederum eine (manchmal mehr,
> manchmal weniger) detaillierte Zukunftsplanung beruht.
> Müssen jetzt alle Typo3-Anwender damit rechnen von einer Abmahnwelle (wie
> bereits in letzter Zeit vielfach in anderen Bereichen praktiziert wird)
> rechnen? Ich kann mir nicht helfen, aber für mich sieht das im Augenblick
> nicht aus wie die Community, auf die ich vor über 2 Jahren aufmerksam
> geworden bin.


or an Association Member:

Als Mitglied der Association haben wir im übrigen gar keinen Grund, mit
> dieser Streit zu suchen. Umgekehrt können wir aber schon erwarten, daß
> unser Mitgliedsbeitrag und letztlich auch der aller anderen Mitglieder
> zur Förderung und Wahrung der Interessen von TYPO3 eingesetzt wird.
> Damit möchte ich der Association ausdrücklich nicht das Recht
> absprechen, zur Wahrung berechtigter Interessen auch juristische Wege zu
> bestreiten. Aus meiner Sicht aber als ultima ratio und nicht zu Beginn
> der Diskussion. Das versteht sich aber schon von selbst unter dem
> Gesichtspunkt der Angemessenheit der Mittel und des fairen Umgangs mit
> ihren Mitgliedern.


The project t3pages was a great idea and effort and it would have been so
easy to get things integrated but instead canon balls have been shot to an
Association Member which was not d'accord to Association ideas - that's how
it looks like.

Such a page like t3pages would have helped all of us a lot - if there
wouldn't have been this trouble! (Yes they are right if the text or screen
shots are copyright infringements they need to change this what they did -
but the way communicating this was .... )

many other examples have been out there which could have been integrated
but until now nothing happened and people still have to search on many
different places and now perhaps on even more different places as things
get splitted more and more.

Let's hope that everyone will learn out of this newly T3Board Aftermath and
that T3Board will be used in future for skiing than for filling up a
carnevals gap.

Andi





Sent from my iPhone

On Mar 10, 2012, at 0:06, Steffen Gebert <steffen.gebert at typo3.org> wrote:

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> Sander,
>
>> Maybe this form will work to make people understand what goes wrong here
>> in the opinion of a lot of people. I try to make to you see the bigger
>> picture since at least 50% of the people here only seem to see it from
>> their own perspective which is mostly technical.
>
> If you(*) wouldn't put so many bricks into the lives of some active and
> important TYPO3 community members, they could work more productive and
> move TYPO3 faster into various directions.
>
> Yours
> Steffen
>
> (*) this statement is targeted to Sander exclusively and personally, not
> to all the other people commenting here, who's opinion and ideas are
> appreciated.
>
> - --
> Steffen Gebert
> TYPO3 v4 Core Team Member
> TYPO3 Server Administration Team Member
>
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