[TYPO3-english] TYPO3 Pro Place [Was Re: Typo 3 Opportunities]

[Tonix (Antonio Nati)]

Not easy do describe in a few lines, but I'd like to solve these needs 
in a TYPO3 Pro virtual place where to:

   1. exchange questions/opinions with "Pro" users. This list can remain
      for "Home" users.
   2. suggest needs/paths for TYPO3 future (my needs: usage of more
      databases, usage of database of other installations, usage of
      stored procedures, simple authentication from other sources...).
   3. improve documentation; 90% of actual documentation is useless. I
      miss simple architectural documents. Often complex documents
      forget to say what the extension basically does, nor they have any
      real address for support. At the same way a lot of internal
      documentation has hundreds of page for any attribute of a
      function, but there is no list where it is explained what the
      function does. More often you have an infinite chain of linking
      from function to function, whithout understanding where the chain
      starts.
   4. teach people analitic approach over programming approach. If you
      don't make analisys before programming, TYPO3 is useless.
   5. publish a list of real how-to, starting from simple explanation of
      TYPO3. Most of users (Home and Pro) uses TYPO3 in a wrong way,
      needing one week of work where one day would be enough. This is,
      in my opinion, the main reason why TYPO3 has so many enemies, and
      people has nightmares when inheriting a TYPO3 website.
   6. Publish a clear list of support places. Actually support is spread
      among a lot of sites, which avoid to link each other. And too
      often the request of help (even paid) has no answer, or the answer
      is not focused on other's problem.

The most of these points could/should be arranged in a new way in actual 
TYPO3 main site, but I doubt there is awareness of these very weak points.

Just my opinion, for what it can help.

Tonino

Andreas Becker ha scritto:
> Tonino
> this sounds quite interesting, could you please specify it a bit more and
> perhaps setup a PRO mailinglist or Place so we could meet there.
>
> Andi
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 6:11 PM, Tonix (Antonio Nati)
> <tonix at interazioni.it>wrote:
>
>   
>> JoH asenau ha scritto:
>>     
>>>> I really miss a "Pro" mailing list for TYPO3.
>>>>
>>>>         
>>> If you were a pro, you wouldn't want any mailing lists at all but
>>>       
>> newsgroups
>>     
>>> SCNR
>>>
>>> typo3.english is the universal group for the average TYPO3 user, so it's
>>>       
>> not
>>     
>>> supposed to dig deeper than that. Check out news.netfielders.de with a
>>> newsreader and find almost any level from what you call "home" to "pro"
>>>       
>> and
>>     
>>> even specialised team and project groups as well as local and regional
>>> usergroups.
>>>
>>> I recommend typo3.dev, typo3.core, typo3.projects.typo3_4-3.general and
>>> typo3.projects.typo3v4mvc for a good "pro" start.
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>> What you recommend is a "Pro" user, which has specific problems, becomes
>> involved in TYPO3 development groups, which is unneeded and unnecessary.
>>
>> Pro means an extended usage of analisys, a deeper level of usage, not
>> being involved in TYPO3 development.
>>
>> Not to forget a lot of developers (not all, but a lot) have excellent
>> programming but non analisys skills, which makes their help useless.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tonino
>>
>>     
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Joey
>>>
>>>
>>>       
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