[TYPO3] SPAM-LOW: Re: Typo3 vs other CMSs

[Tyler Kraft]

I've got mates that are considered (by themselves and most others) to be 
IT-Techie, yet they now SFA about html OR css....  So thats like them 
saying that php or java is unintuitive!

Same example for a car - to build a car is very unintuitive, but driving 
it after having instruction is easy, and once you switch to a different 
car from a different manufacture it will still be different but the 
concept is similar. (ask me about it - I've got an MEng degree so can 
wax on poetically for a looooong time about things gear ratios and 
camber and other non-specific non-context rubbish  ;-)



Benjamin Mack wrote:
> Hey Christoph,
> 
> thanks for your opinion. I think this is an important point - The 
> usuability.
> 
> I was just introducing a friend of mine (also a IT-Techie) to Typo3. 
> Afterwards he said: "Man, I've rarely seen something SO unintuitive than 
> this".
> 
> I hope that in a couple of years Typo3 gets more usuable for beginners. 
> With TemplaVoila it got better, we'll see what's in the pipe next :-).
> 
> greetings,
> benni.
> -SDG-
> 
> 
> Christoph Herrmann wrote:
>> Lol, I'm getting the message, thanks all :) I guess it's the same with 
>> all the Photoshop vs Fireworks, MT vs Wordpress etc discussions. There 
>> will never be agreement, but the more competent and customisable your 
>> tool, the more diffcult it will be to set up and learn.
>>
>> I played around all day with Joomla. In my particular case I feel that 
>> (apart from the very important point that it displays no site 
>> hierachy, which indeed hurts!) most of all it will be easier on my 
>> clients. I can sit down and play around with Typo3 all year and 
>> probably learn to use and develop over time, like I have learnt to use 
>> all other tools of my trade. But when I tested with my wife yesterday, 
>> she had no clue where to start with Typo3 and Joomla made a lot of 
>> sense to her, at least at the basic beginner level.
>>
>> Now most of my clients are at the same web savvy level as my wife, 
>> i.e. no idea. They want to control their websites or want their 
>> secretary to do so, without any need for training. So I install a CMS, 
>> explain the basics and then charge for more advanced stuff. Keeps them 
>> happy and relieves a lot of maintenance work for me. I don't think any 
>> of my clients would ever manage to learn Typo3. One example:
>>
>> One client of mine wants different templates for different pages. In 
>> Joomla he just clicks and assigns a template to a page. In Typo3 he 
>> would need to learn TypoScript and all sorts of stuff.
>>
>> Basically in Joomla my client can switch on and off all sorts of stuff 
>> and readf the docs and learn how to use it. With Typo3 he wouldn't 
>> even understand the first 5 lines of any doc I've read so far, and I 
>> really have read a LOT.
>>
>> So bottom line is, from my very short experience: Typo3 is a pro 
>> developers tool with immense capabilities. Great to build complex 
>> stuff. But I can't really present  this to any customer of mine as a 
>> CMS. If even I got intensely frustrated by it I don't even want to 
>> imagine what it would do to a mere Joe Sixpack who can't even 
>> configure their email address properly (and I say this without any 
>> disrespect, I can't fix my spark plugs either!)
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>> Elmar Hinz wrote:
>>
>>> Matthew Manderson wrote:
>>>  
>>>
>>>> I found that TYPO3 was the only CMS that could do want I wanted so I 
>>>> had to
>>>> learn it and I still am learning and I still feel like a newbie.
>>>>
>>>> If you can really do it in Joomla, don't waste your effort on TYPO3.
>>>>
>>>>   
>>> Full ACK.
>>>
>>> TYPO3 is definitly not for your mother and your father and your 
>>> cousin. It
>>> is for professionals and real freaks only. It's a heavy machine. You 
>>> need
>>> training to handly it.
>>>
>>> Donate your little sister a package of Joomla.
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Elmar
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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