[Typo3-dev] The donation issue - please join this debate!

[Georg Kuehnberger]

Stig
( just to answer your questions, rather than prolonging the discussion)

At 10:13 19.08.2005, Stig Nørgaard Færch wrote:
>Georg Kuehnberger wrote:
>   > - Glad to be part of TYPO3 for quite some time by now I know:
> >         - Significant developments are not done by 10$ (even not 400x
> > 10$) contributions, but rather by significant contributions by a few;
> >                 >> which leads me to: forget those group-actions on
> > large scale
>
>So you say that there are not enough people willing to donate small amounts?
>Large Scale? You mean core development?
>What about other projects like smaller extensions and the TemplaVoila
>extension?

- YEP, I'm talking about the development of larger functions, which in the 
most cases end up in the core or at least as /sysext
- I don't perceive TV being a small extension;
- For clarification you might do the math again:
         - 4 x 1.000 EUR makes 4/8 (6/12) contacts via 
mail/call/bookkeeping between the mentioned projectowner & 4 - 6 sponsors.
         - 400 x 10 EUR makes
                 - a new tool, workflow ..... concept ....
                 - maybe 399 disgruntled users ( as they might need the 
features requested in time ), who might even turn away from the project.

- I'm not hesitating to use a tool, which adds a nice and maybe working 
push in the right direction, that is getting people to be used for the 
concept of sponsoring.
- I'm rather in fear of the above painted situation, and to be honest I 
don't wanna be the person in charge for this certain 400 x 10 Extension; 
(just thinking of issuing 400 bills);


> >                 >> and forget about the idea that yet another new tool
> > would change the real-world-contribution-situation;
>
>Yet another? Has anything new like this been tried in the Typo3 community?
>I don't think we should just forget about new ways to do things even
>before they are tried out. There are Typo3 people out there who are
>willing to donate small amounts to different projects/extensions. But I
>also think that there are reasons to why they don't, which can be solved
>by things like fundable.org.

- yet-another: YES: As mentioned before: we do have a tool called TYPO3, 
being a Realtime-CMS for communicating the status of sponsering.
- has anything like this being tried before?
         - In an automated way? none of which I know of ( to be corrected 
by people in the know );
         - small-scale, non-automated though groupdriven: YES ( we did this 
some month ago within the tuga.at )

> >         - Transparence is essential:
> >                 >> this is / was already done on .com/ .org (I once saw
> > it but don't find it anymore - was it deleted) similar to:
> > http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/BYF/project_state.php
>
>Yes, I do agree very much on this. You should be able to follow the
>development state.
>I also think that we could attract more people to Typo3 in general if
>development activity was more visible.

I do hope this will be seconded by more than the participants of this 
discussion;
though I doubth this needs any form of "automation";

> > BTW:
> > Me thought, we do have a CMS for realtime update of websites ... having
> > a look at the ammount of content and frequency of change at eg.
> > http://www.skyrix.de/en/produkte/BYF/project_state.php I'd guess we
> > don't need yet another tool.
>
>Don't understand what you are saying here.

see above: use the tools available to communicate right (that is as 
transparent as possibe);

> > Just my two toughts following the subjects imperative;
> > g night g
>
>Thanks for your contribution to the discussion.
>/Stig

cheers g

> > At 14:46 18.08.2005, Valery Romanchev wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Robert
> >>
> >> > I didn't know moneybookers and at the first glance I really
> >> > like them! Their terms and conditions [1] fit on two pages
> >> > and they only want 1% per transfer with 0,50? maximum.
> >> >
> >> > Does someone have experiences with moneybookers?
> >> >
> >> > [1] http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=terms
> >>
> >> I use moneybookers since january 2005 for getting payments from clients
> >> (from Germany and Finland)
> >>
> >> You see a lot of good things. All this true.
> >>
> >> About the problems:
> >> 1) Credit Card verification (especially for USA guys) .
> >> Moneybookers ask to send him scan of Credit Card.
> >>
> >> 2) If you have a problem - the best way to solve it is to call them by
> >> phone.
> >> (one time my account was suspended due to wrong  data of my birthday,
> >> this
> >> was solved after phone call)
> >>
> >> 3) Withdraw limit. This can be mayor problem.
> >> As I know, it can be set to $500/month (or even $200 )  and can be
> >> lift up
> >> after some month of usage.
> >>
> >> In general: moneybookers has good reputation in Russia and in UK.
> >> Some UK and Germany guys accept hosting payment by moneybookers and
> >> they are
> >> happy.
> >> And this guys are strongly not like PayPal.
> >>
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Best regards,
> >> Valery Romanchev
> >> freelance TYPO3 web-developer
> >> http://www.typo3lab.com
> >> Email: romanchev at list.ru
> >> Phone: +7 (095) 370-84-08
> >> Moscow, Russia
> >
> >
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