[TYPO3-about] Anti-harrasment policy for our events?

[Tolleiv Nietsch]

Hi,

well, the amount of women on our conferences is (guessed) below 1% (at
max 5%) - sure there are no problems yet.  You might be right that
european conferences are less likely to cause problems**. But I didn't
talk about T3CON-DE - I meant all (US/Asian/European/..) conferences and
events we have. (Did we have women on Asian*** and US conferences at all?)

Regarding the incidents and the related reading you added. None of them
questioned that it's useful that actions are taken and none of them said
that having that policy in place was a problem.

The policy would at least be a clear sign that we live by these values
(anyways) and that we want to create a friendly environment in that
regard too.

Cheers.

** Why do you think you're superior compared to Americans? <- fit's the
definition of racism :(

Philipp Gampe schrieb:
> Hi Tolleiv,
> 
> Tolleiv Nietsch wrote:
> 
>> Looking back at the TYPO3 conferences and events I've attended in the
>> past - I'm not sure whether our events had such extreme harrasments or
>> anything, but due to the fact that our community consists to >90% of
>> white european males, I assume that we're not perfect in that regard.
> 
> I do not think that the TYPO3 community had any harassment problems in the 
> past nor do I see that we will have problems in the future.
> 
> Looking at the list of incidents (your 7), most of them are constructed ... 
> the few remaining real incidents are much below the statistically expected 
> amount.
> If we take this list for granted and well researched (which I do not think 
> it is), then we must conclude that tech conferences are a nice place for 
> woman.
> Also note that this list includes mostly US events. European events usually 
> have less problems of this kind. Part of this reason is proper sexual 
> education and a much lower alcohol age. Consider that some US people are at 
> least three years behind compare to same-age Europeans. 
> 
> 
> If some comes up with real problems (persons or incidents) than I am happy 
> to work out solutions. But I do not think that we need to create solutions 
> to problems that do not exits.
> Looking into many similar discussions recently, I think that the majority of 
> the so called "problems" are really persons that just want attention.
> It is not that women would be rapped or grabbed, but they are offended even 
> if men talk about them or look at them.
> There is a limit of course, but an attractive women must learn to deal with 
> men watching. An attractive men has the same problem (and it is even worse) 
> if he goes to an event with a majority of woman.
> 
> If there are real problems, then the organizer (or staff) of the event can 
> exclude the offender from the event.
> 
> Please also read the post (german) form Fefe about that topic at 29C3:
> http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=ae1a50a0
> Please also mind the updates, especially comment about the Chinese whispers 
> (telephone game) inside an echo chamber.
> 
> You might also want to read the blog post of Hadmut Danisch (german) who 
> lately blogged much about Gender, Feminism, etc:
> http://www.danisch.de/blog/
> Notable, especially the discussions: 
> http://www.danisch.de/blog/2012/12/28/die-ccc29c3-peinlichkeit-britta-
> schinzel/
> http://www.danisch.de/blog/2012/12/30/uber-die-lacherlichkeit-des-
> bundesverfassungsgerichts/
> 
> IMHO there is not need for actions as long as there are no problems. The 
> amount of racism and harassment is much below the statistical average of 
> such a large group of persons and the staff can always exclude people if 
> they make trouble. On top of that, we have enough women in the stuff to have 
> a large base of possible person who may be contacted in case a woman can not 
> deal with the situation by herself.
> 
> Best regards

-- 
Tolleiv Nietsch
TYPO3 Core Developer


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