[TYPO3-50-general] just to argue a bit: What about Doctrine?

Ernesto Baschny [cron IT] ernst at cron-it.de
Mon Nov 9 09:45:15 CET 2009

Hi Bastian,

what happened to
http://forge.typo3.org/projects/show/extension-doctrine? Is it stalled
or "already working", alpha/beta or stable? Did you guys gave it up or
just paused activity?


Bastian Waidelich schrieb:
> Fernando Arconada wrote:
> Hi Fernando,
>> I only want to know, Why the TYPO3/FLOW3 solution (of course i'm only
>> talking about ORM) it is better than Doctrine?
> You can't really compare the two, cause those are two different approaches.
> You use doctrine as abstraction on top of your relational data and fetch
> objects with a (very nice) query language.
> The TYPO3CR uses a relational database as storage backend too, but you
> as a developer won't have to deal with it most of the time. Instead, you
> handle entities just like any other PHP object.
> That is a great advantage because it diminishes the mental gap between
> data and business logic.
> Another great possibility of a content repository is, that it allows you
> to build in features like localization and versioning at a very low
> level - so, that the developer doesn't have to care about it anymore -
> imagine..
> See http://tr.im/Ew7j (PDF) for some more arguments for CR over ORM.
> But I agree, an ORM like doctrine has a lot of advantages too. E.g. you
> can work with "legacy" or 3rd party data (though that'll be possible
> with FLOW3 too at some point)
>> Why dont integrate Doctrine?
> Yes, why not? ;)
> AFAIK Sebastian made use of doctrine for his first FLOW3 project when
> the TYPO3CR was not as stable.
>> Our babies are always the most beautiful and we are very proud of
>> them. But really we are doing all better than other frameworks?
> I know that Robert and Karsten are observing other projects closely and
> my experience is, that in FLOW3 no decision is taken thoughtlessly and
> almost none is set in stone.
> Incidentally, the TYPO3CR is a port of JSR-170 / JSR-283 so it's not
> really our baby (though Karsten is making a good daddy and he is member
> of the JSR-283 expert group).
> Best,
> Bastian
> BTW: Robert just joined the "PHP Library Interoperability Standards
> group" (http://tr.im/E5Fv)

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