[FLOW3-general] Rumours of Phoenix dropping ExtJS?

[Sebastian Kurfürst]

Hey Jigal,

> It may be before you joined the team but there is something like the
> Berlin manifesto [1].
Yeah, and my fellow team members and me still feel very much bound and
motivated by the Berlin Manifesto. It is still true what we decided back
then. I also feel that the same is very true for many v4 core devs,
which is equally important.

> If v4 has to converge towards the features of v5 this would imply IMO
> that v5 cannot be a moving target.
I'd rather say "we must bring the visions of v4 and v5 closer together",
and learn from each other. We (=the v5 team) are obviously not always
taking the perfect decisions; there quite some points which we can learn
from v4 as well. And that's the case the other way round as well.

It's not "v5 creates, v4 copies it"; but it is "v4 is inspired by v5;
and v5 is inspired by v4". :-)

For the list module which is currently being redone as part of the BLE
project; I am in contact with quite some v4 devs involved in this; and
we hope that we can forward-port the re-done list module to Phoenix as well.

I agree with you that we need to stabilize; and I think that has
happened in the last months and will still happen in the next half year
or so. However, we also need to re-think our past decisions every once
in a while; and reflect upon them; as that's one of the most effective
ways to learn things :-)

Regarding ExtJS / SproutCore; I'd suggest that you watch the video; it's
just 45 minutes; and then you'll see that we did not take this decision
lightly; but it was a long process and we have judged many pros and cons
(@Thomas Allmer: I'd also suggest that to you; as also MooTools etc do
not have the features which makes us so productive like with SproutCore...)

Greets,
Sebastian