[TYPO3-hci] Kickoff: TYPO3 4.1 (suggestions)

[Dmitry Dulepov]

Hi again!

To clarify my position:
- I am *not* against accessible BE *if* it does not make it less usable 
to others. If we can have accessible BE + all nice features (incuding 
those with JavaScript) - fine!
- I am not the one who will work on accessibility because I feel that 
other tasks may have greater importance. This is my personal opinion and 
I have right to have it as any other human. Anyone can have other 
opinion and this is perfectly fine with me (this is freedom of 
opinions). But I reserve a right to say my opinion as others do. Denying 
this right would not be fare.

Dmitry.

Dmitry Dulepov wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> Robert Markula wrote:
>> I don't want to insult anyone, but reading your post makes me a angry. 
>> It's a slap in the face for people with disabilities.
> 
> Well, this is how you feel about it. I feel different. I do not want 
> wars but I assume I can say anything that can be useful unless it 
> violates laws.
> 
> You can ignore my posts if you want.
> 
>> I work with people with all kinds of disabilities, and as Christopher 
>> thankfully pointed out, to be disabled does not mean to be blind. 
>> There are hundreds, if not thousands of other - some minor, some major 
>> - disabilities as well, that are a barrier if you want to browse the 
>> web or work with a CMS.
> 
> So, it is a barrier? And we are going to overcome it but keep BE modern 
> for others.
> 
>> I know actual techies in all kind of expertises (meaning: not limited 
>> to programmers, webdesigners et al) who were experts in their field 
>> and - due to an accident or an illness - are suddenly thrown out their 
>> old life and disabled to a lesser or larger degree. This can happen to 
>> anyone, even you and me, anytime, withour prior warning.
>> Do YOU want to tell them "hey poor little guy, that was bad luck, now 
>> say good bye to all that you've learned and maybe even lived for, 
>> throw away your old life, do something that better matches your 
>> disability. You are not worth it to help you making your life easier. 
>> Go join a self-help group."
> 
> Yes, I understand all this. I had problems with eyes when I was small 
> and later I could not walk for several months while my friends were 
> playing football. I still have problems with health and cannot do many 
> things that others can. You can think about it like about certain 
> disabilities. However I do not pretend to do anything that I cannot do 
> due to physical conditions. I found myself other things to live with. I 
> am not football player but a [good] software programmer. And I am not 
> asking anyone to make football accessible, I do what I can and leave 
> footbal to those who want to play it. I do not feel that I can limit 
> them in any way just because I may want to play football. This is my 
> philosophy: do what you can, do it well, do not spoil life to others 
> with my problems. Is it bad?
> 
>> The aircraft cockpit example is a bit narrow. You/Lars are thinking 
>> about _administrators_ using the BE only, whereas I think of actual 
>> editors or normal BE users as well. And in companies and government 
>> institutions there are hundreds of them. Also with disabilities.
> 
> Administrators perform only slightly more functions than editors.
> 
>> Having FE-Editing only, as Benjamin Mack suggested, is no solution, as 
>> e.g. in my organisation our editors work mostly with tt_news records 
>> in SysFolders.
> 
> Well, it is bad that many popular extensions still have only List module 
> for record editing. This should fixed, of course.
> 


-- 
Dmitry Dulepov
http://typo3bloke.net/

"It is our choices, that show what we truly are,
far more than our abilities." (A.P.W.B.D.)