[TYPO3-dam] Discussion: Option to hide caption, alt+title fields in content elements

[Ernesto Baschny [cron IT]]

georg kuehnberger schrieb:

>>>>> .: Hide caption + alt + title field.
>>>> One nice feature of DAM is to reuse media without copying it. Then
>>>> having different captions (per CE) is sometimes mandatory.
>>>>
>>>> So we have at least 3 scenarios for captions-alt-titlefield :
>>>> 1. DAM only (then hide CE ones)
>>>> 2. CE only (hide in DAM records)
>>>> 3. DAM but "overridable" in CE if provided
>>> Patrick, you are right here. to be more precise: The best way-of-work is
>>> 3. which we practice in most setups.
>>> it boils down to:
>>>
>>> A) force Editors to insert "caption + alt + title" (or any lesser
>>> combination) RIGHT during initial upload, so that your media WILL have a
>>> minimum of required metadata (done via TCA).
>>>
>>> B) DO use the TYPO3-Core Translation features for dam-metadata in case
>>> of a multi-lang site. (multi-lang config see wiki)
>>>
>>> C) Reuse the stored metadata throughout any FE-Display as default value.
>>> This is also the major "selling point" to Editors:
>>> Enter metadata ONLY ONCE - Reuse anywhere.
>>>
>>> D) optionally: For some experienced Editors / or all: show the CE-based
>>> "caption + alt + title" fields and config them to overide the DAM-meta
>>> data.
>>
>> One thing that annoys me and editors I worked with:
>>
>> 1) DAM is integrated to be used for tt_content and other records.
>> 2) The field where DAM media can be added has nice thumbnails of the
>> already added images to its right.
>> 3) I can click on the thumbnials to get to a read-only view of this
>> record.
>>
>> But why is it "read-only"?? Maybe I want to change its global caption at
>> this moment? I have no way to get to the "edit view" of this particular
>> DAM media. I have to remember the path, move back to Media>List and then
>> find my file again (*very* error prone), edit and then move back to my
>> original content element..
>>
>> Maybe there is already a config-setting to get that view read-write? :)
>> Cheers,
>> Ernesto
> 
> Ernesto, quite interesting case you are describing here, which I can
> duplicate. No I dont know of an existing config-setting; howecer it
> should be relatively easily imlementable. note! you will have to take
> into account the read-only-filemounts, where the editor might only
> select a record, though not edit its meta-data.
> 
> Anyway, in case of editing the metadata, the user has to be aware of
> other usages (pages/content elements) where the item is used. Otherwise
> it might happen that he changes the caption to something completely
> in-appropriate on "that other page, also using the same image".
> So it would be needed to show the user all record-usages on other pages
> (eventually with links to those pages).

There is already the tab "Verwendung" (german) where the referencing
items are listed.

> Ernesto, would you add that as a feature-request to mantis?

Done: http://bugs.typo3.org/view.php?id=11723

> BTW: the described "local caption overrules the global one" method will
> aviod the dscribed mishap AND allow the editor to change the caption
> right within the CE he is editing recently.

It still complements each other: You might want to use a picture on a
tt_content, notice it has no global caption yet (or that it is wrong),
and at this point feel the urge to set the global caption.

There are plenty of sites where the images come from "external places"
(and get automatically indexed): The first touch with an image is often
through a content element where you want to use it. In these cases this
should also be the moment where the editor can store some meta-data for
the image (keywords, caption, categorization...).

Cheers,
Ernesto