[Typo3] Blank Space - Further into space!

[Erik Svendsen]

Hello Steve,

> Have you looked back over the last few digests or at the list of
> emails that have "Blank Space" in the header?
> 
> If all of you had spent the same amount of effort on just telling me
> WHERE to go to fix the problem I would be a happy bunny with a
> working website, telling everyone what a great product Typo3 really
> is!
> 
> I did mention in my original post that I wanted the fix as a
> TEMPORARY measure until I could learn HOW to fix the problems myself
> or until I had learnt how to make a template from scratch.
> 
> I have had it suggested that the faulty HTML is stored in the
> database but I cant find it.
> 
> If anyone can help with the ACTUAL problem and help me find and
> eliminate this particular piece of bad HTML I will love you forever,
> well at least today anyway!

Joey has already given a good explanation of why you have this problem. news://news.netfielders.de/mailman.1.1129987202.16491.typo3-english@lists.netfielders.de. 
And as he writes, the static templates are old, not easy to correct, and 
make horrible HTML-code. That's the reason why very few are using them. To 
get rid of the header-wrap i think you have either to do some "advanced" 
typoscript coding, make some justification in php-code or change the template 
in database. In the database the code is saved in the table static_template 
as a blob field. And the reason few people can give you help here, very few 
(if any) has tried this. And even if any could give you some hint - I think 
it will take you more time to make it work, than it will take you to learn 
to make your own template and using TemplaVoila (FTB) or Modern Template 
building.

So people are trying to help you here, and they are trying to tell you not 
to waste your time following a path that leads to nowhere.

Your layout (Business template) are a very simple template, using frames 
(no one should use frames). And it's not difficult to make a template with 
two columns. Some resources. 
http://www.isitebuild.com/css/css-layout.html
http://bluerobot.com/web/layouts/layout1.html
http://www.westciv.com/
http://www.w3schools.com/default.asp

Search Google and you will find a lot more. 

If you know how to make static HTML with CSS, it will take you about 2 - 
5 hours to make a template, learn FTB and implement. And if you aren't good 
at (X)HTML coding, maybe you should consider getting paid help. And make 
the site consistent in layout. And the site looks more or less commercial 
to me (but I may be wrong). 

> The reason I originally posted my question was because this blank
> space appears ONLY on the main page and not any of the sub pages
> which I thought was unusual, you would assume any template file would
> have the same effect on the sub pages. I am unaware if the template
> file has seperate areas for main and sub pages as I cannot find it or
> a way to edit it.

It has an very simple explanation. On your subpages it takes the page title 
and put it in the header (the wrap is no longer empty). The structure look 
like this.

Home (website root) - no header
- Podcast listener - Podcast listener as header
-- The Promo - Podcast listener as header, and The Promo as subheader
- Podcaster - Podcaster as header.

It's how the static template are made.

> So once again and this time for the last time can anyone help me fix
> this until I get the knowledge to rip this bad template file out and
> replace it?

As said before. This is a path to nowhere. My advice is to go the FTB way 
(but the MTB way isn't any bad choice either). And I can tell you, I was 
on my way to drop TYPO3 myself after some days trying, when I tried Modern 
Template Building and Futuristic Template Building. And noway I go back to 
Mambo, postNuke. And I'm not a web developer, but I have enough basic skills 
in XHTM, CSS, PHP and MySQL to understand the logic of TYPO3.  

Maybe the templates shouldn't been in the package, or at least marked as 
obsolete or depreciated. On reason to have them there, it gives the opportunity 
to try the functionality without making a template.

And TYPO3 is a fantastic CMS, but it requires basicknowlegde about HTML, 
CSS, PHP and MySQL. And if you don't have that knowlegde, or are willing 
to get it, you should go for Drupal or Mambo.
 
> And the name is Steve not Vincent! :-)

Have already said I'm sorry for that.

WBR,
Erik Svendsen
www.linnearad.no