[TYPO3-dev] Getting started with Extbase/Fluid programming

[Dirk Wenzel]

Hi Elmar,
your answer to Matthias' post seems to me inapproriate polemic and not 
very helpful for the initial question. To put it short: snoty.

I hope to see people being encouraged on this list not intimidated.
Why don't you provide your knowledge in a friendly and neutral way? BTW: 
Chris' question was not 'why not start using extbase/fluid' but 'how to 
get started'

Dirk

Am 08.04.13 12:18, schrieb Elmar Hinz:
> Quote: Mattias Nilsson wrote on Mon, 08 April 2013 11:09
> ----------------------------------------------------
>> Hi Chris,
>>
>> First of all that is a really good step to get started with
>> Extbase/Fluid :)
>
> Your statement sounds like the believe in the golden hammer, a well know
> antipattern.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_hammer
>
> Before starting with extbase, one should as oneself:
>
> "Why do I need a fat ORM layer to solve my little task?"
>
> After all an ORM layer is primarly a try to workaround the object
> relational mismatch. If you don't have an object realtional mismatch in
> your data model, than why  using the overhead of an ORM layer?
>
> The answer is, that pi_base was worse as a solution, but not because of
> an overhead, but rather of the wording and the poverty of the API.
> That still is not a satisfying answer.
> Fluid on the other hand was a clear concecpt in the beginning. A
> template for the view, not more. Meanwhile people put that much logic
> into it, that the separation of model and view is in danger.
>
> The calculation of date should not be done in view helpers, but before
> the data is given to the view.
>
> Regards
>
> Elmar
>