[TYPO3-dev] For whom do we/you develop

[Ries van Twisk]

Peter,

I am not sure what your goal with this mail was/is.

But all I can say is that most clients really don't care
what cool/great/new/interesting pet project frame is used in the first  
place.

Usually web projects are short lived and they need to get done,
the client usually doesn't care how it's done as long as it done  
within budget and time.

The reason we have frameworks is to make OUR life easer and to make sure
that we can deliver the projects to the clients.

piBase always served us well and works VERY fast developing FE  
plugins...

the one thing I don't like in TYPO3 is it's DB structure and hwo DB is  
handled,
but I am picky in that area....


Ries

On May 28, 2009, at 5:57 PM, Peter Russ wrote:

> I just want to start a discussion about the target of all the further
> development. It seems to me that is becomes more and more  
> academically.
> Discussing about sofisticated file structures.
> Fighting for design patterns.
>
> If the target is to get big companies involved with big money (is this
> still available?) I would agree to go for concepts taking place in the
> future. How long did it take from Star Office to reach the available
> state of OpenOffice to be able to compete with MS Office but still not
> accepted in companies? Take a look at your agency: what are you using
> internally? Thunderbird with Lighting, Apple's derivates or MS brands?
>
> Where do we, where does TYPO3 comes from, who is using it and who is
> producing revenue? At this stage my feeling is that a lot of people  
> can
> use and make their live based on TYPO3. Ok: there are differences in  
> the
> quality. But if the customer is happy, it is his/her/their right to
> decide how much he/she/they is/are willing to invest/in-waste.
>
> With the new approach to try to develop a new framework I see an
> interesting concept for major players to deal with customers able to
> think in models, views, controller or (for the common user) in
> processes. But if you take into account how long it even takes to  
> design
> this things on paper and define a common understanding my rough guess
> would be that this percentage of business is similar to the number of
> people paying the majority of the income tax in Germany. But not  
> making
> the rev of the common TYPO3 supplier.
>
> So my intension would be a more harden TYPO3 where DBAL is not only a
> paradigm for CORE devs, where indexed_search is performing lighting
> fast, connectors to other Frameworks like ZF would be optimized and a
> CORE focus and... please fill free to expand this wish list.
>
> And please don't tell me that a repository makes life easier: if I ask
> my wife in the morning what to put on she tells me go the wardrobe.
>
> As long as you have no idea what you can ask for you'll get  
> nothing ;-)
> Gimme blog, news, calendar? No, I want content....
> Perhaps you'll get what I'm trying to say.
>
> Peter
>
>
>
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