[TYPO3-dev] TER troubles again

[Kasper Skårhøj]

Thanks Erik,

- kasper


On Jul 2, 2006, at 23:55 , Erik Svendsen wrote:

> Hello Michelle and all the others,
>
>> Martin Kutschker wrote:
>>
>>> But what now? If the original developers cannot maintain typo3.org I
>>> think it's time to spend the money. Of course it's sad when nobody
>>> steps up to save typo3.org, but it's much too important to wait  
>>> for a
>>> yet unkown hero.
>>>
>> I am all for spending money on this project, BUT it will be just a
>> waste of money unless we can get dedicated individuals that can give
>> us a year or more of time. We not only need developers, but a strong
>> project manager that can set a solid infrastructure for them to
>> function in. Unfortunately, with such few volunteers, we are prone to
>> do things based on smaller projects and tasks, and a quick fix won't
>> provide us with any real solution to any of the long-term problems on
>> TYPO3.org. It all comes down to finding the right people.
>>
>> Michelle
>
> To all of you, Michelle has a solid point here. TYPO3's problem  
> isn't TER2,
> TYPO3.org and so on. They are only symptoms about something else.  
> Kasper
> knows, and so do a lot of other people among the active members.  
> TYPO3 and
> it's community is somehow growing from something a few people could  
> manage,
> to a organization/community who need a more robust structure to  
> cope with
> all the challenges. I will say it's vital to build a rosbust  
> structure with
> people also skilled in other tasks than making TYPO3 websites,  
> extensions
> and other TYPO3 related tasks. Michelle points on project managers,  
> and I
> agree, but you also need an "organization" around to support the  
> teams with
> different resources. An "organization" who also demand something  
> from the
> team. And remember, everything can't be done by volunteers when the  
> "organization"
> grows, sometimes you also have to pay people to do the job. And  
> TYPO3.org
> are the glue in the TYPO3 community (a part of the supporting  
> organisation).
>
> And it comes down to finding the right people. The only problem is,  
> people
> skilled in managing, motivating and supporting team are a scarce  
> resource,
> who mostly earn big money outside the Open Source communities.
>
> My first thoughts when starting to read this thread, was:
> * I understand the frustration, because I have had it many times,  
> and not
> only in my two years with TYPO3.
> * And my solutions to do something with the frustration would be,  
> give some
> of my time, be a supporting member and maybe even donate some money  
> besides
> that. Because it's give the opportunity to pay people making the  
> glue work.
>
> I also find it necessary to give some respons on other posts in  
> this thread.
> * Teams who grow from the bottom, mostly dissolve when times go by.  
> And often
> they dissolve really fast.
> * It's a good idea to ask for volunteers to do a specific project,  
> but the
> team has to be supported/managed from the "organization". And the  
> volunteers
> has to commit to the joint goal for the project.
> * It's important to find the balance between short time problem  
> solving,
> and focus on long time robust solutions. Michael, you have a good  
> point in
> your proposal about delegation of tasks to solve the most important  
> TYPO3.org
> issues.
>
> And I understand Kasper's responses. Maybe because I firsthand know  
> that
> he is putting a lot of time and thoughts in how to get all parts of  
> TYPO3
> to work better. And it's not an easy task. As someone who has  
> worked the
> last 20 years with trying to and doing large changes in  
> organizations, because
> of changes in the environment, I know how difficult and time  
> consuming it
> is. And the changes in TYPO3 the last year, is somehow comparable  
> with changes
> in organization with hundreds of employes.
>
> Some word at the end: I think it's okay to rant sometimes, but  
> always try
> to have the following thoughts in your mind:
> * Will the rant demotivate people who are important to the TYPO3  
> community
> * Try to make the critism constructive
> * Try to give a proposal who is possible to implement
>
> WBR,
> Erik Svendsen
> www.linnearad.no
>
>
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- kasper

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