[Typo3-dev] The Right Crew

[Patrick Gaumond]

Kasper Skårhøj wrote:

> its a pity that 
> this list (Dev-list) has been discussing core features and architecture for 
> years without devicing how it intends to put it into action. Success is no 
> suit and certainly not talk. Where are the people with the hats on?

Kasper, you're the one with the biggest hat. Sometimes you're not 
visible on the DEV-list for months and reappear with TV or Workspace 
that no one ever heard before.

> With no results in terms of release-worthy code we could just as well rename the list /dev/null.

I've seen quite some code and patches in the bug tracker and the Gremlin 
effort looks like a great way to get some things done. In a perfect 
world, Gremlin would be a constant project but it's possible only if the 
patches are reviewed and accepted.


> So can I expect that all the people eagerly discussion the future architecture 
> of TYPO3 are also willing to stick around for all the years it will take to 
> implement it, maintain it, document it, build supporting frameworks for it 
> (like typo3.org), bugfix it, educate people about it? Or is the sad truth 
> that we cannot rely on volunteers for this and have to spend Association 
> money on every line of code in a redesigned system?

Kasper, you make a living of TYPO3. Few others are also able but 
stickiness comes usually with money or encouragements.

It's a fact that people will always criticize code done by Kasper on a 6 
years period. Who can pretend that his own code written years ago is 
still untouchable after adding few years of new knowledge and practice ? 
People will rant about OO and patterns. But hey, at least they have code 
to comment on! Never forget that someone did it.

But the real question is how can coders feel "called" to join a team 
that doesn't look like a group? I mean, someone in the Core team wrote 
harsh things like "there are too many truly stupid solutions in TYPO3". 
At another time, I had the impression that Robert L. didn't know what 
Kasper was cooking. BTW, these impressions are based on ML reading, 
nothing more but it gives an impression of "closed development effort" 
(also read that expression some weeks ago).

Why did people submitted 133 Gremlins (even with if the process was 
awkward)? They had the impression that they would be listened. I've add 
about 5 gremlins myself just because of that. Those where not in the bug 
tracker before. They where there somewhere in the back of my brain but 
knowing something was going to be done, I've put the effort to report them.

So if you can't have the money, you better have way of encouraging 
people to give back, the way they can afford.

There's not 10 Kaspers in the TYPO3 community. Older people will always 
have family to take care of, youngsters will have energy that decrease 
if there's no return of investment. This will not change.

Patrick
(Still TYPO3 cheerleader!)