[Typo3-dev] DBAL: Call for sponsors

[Martin T. Kutschker]

Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3] wrote:
> Hi Masi,
> 
>>Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3] wrote:
>>
>>>Hi folks,
>>>
>>>As it turns out, the time is just about right for getting DBAL done.
>>>In fact there will be no 3.6.0 anywhere soon if we don't get the sponsoring
>>>together NOW because the ground work will need to be done for many features
>>>in demand.
>>
>>Why is 3.6 coupled with DBAL?
> 
> Well, since centralising all database queries will change a very large part
> of the core, it does not make sense to postpone this, becaue the task will
> just get bigger all the time.

That's true. But 3.6 has always been called a maintenance release which 
"no features" added. Which is not true of course, as we got xhtml/xml, 
utf-8, inline code documentation, etc.

AFAIK many of these thing are finished or almost done.

I urge you to let it at that. Stick to the "roadmap" and release 3.6 
now. "Now" means RC2 this week or early next week. Followed by a final 
version the following fortnight.

Many a folks have been waiting for utf-8 and xhtml, don't disappoint 
them. DBAL and versioning are great and will greatly enhance Typo3. 
Pushing around release dates and goals apparently at will reduces IMHO 
the customers faith. Looks like folks had no plan at all.

Plus it's ridiculous to release a "release candidate" and the to step 
down to add a whole bunch of features. This doesn't help the credibility 
either.

> Some things, like the very pressing work at versioning make no sense at all
> without doing DBAL first.

Well, as follows from my above statements I see no point in having 
versioning in 3.6.

>>The code as it is looks nice and ready for live systems *). DBAL will
>>destabilize the code and will further the delay of 3.6 for a very long
>>time. My guess would be sometime in autumn.
> 
> What makes you think it will?

Autumn is perhaps a bit pessimistic. But I reckon DBAL is more than 
adding the layer in te code. You need testing with diferrents DBs. 
Problems, minor and major, are bound to appear. No worrries, they will 
be resolved, but who knows when?

I see no problem with releasing 3.6 now, followed by a 3.7 in two or 
three months. There is no rule that says there has to be only one 3.x 
per year.

>>I'd hoped we see 3.6 get all those new exciting extensions up and
>>running (objTS, enhanced aliases, ...) and then moved on to a 4.0 with
>>DBAL and an integrated objTS (dropping tslib_content).
> 
> I understand your fears, but we have very good reasons to believe, that it
> will be finished in time and in very good quality.

No doubt about the quality, but "in time" makes only sense if there is a 
roadmap. AFIK there is no official roadmap for Typo3, which is BTW a bad 
thing.

Masi