[Typo3-dev] Re: The future of typo3

[Daniel Hinderink [TYPO3]]

HI Michael,

Thanks for your note.

> Daniel Hinderi(n)k writes:
> 
>> On the general notion of creating a symbiotic frontend and backend user
>> concept, I am less enthusiastic about this.
>> 
> I hope that this is not the way you understand what I have been writing.
> Of course it should be possible to separate those two parts of the
> system. I just want what separates them to be something more trivial
> rather than 938427 lines of PHP-code.

That is not the case, see below. I am however against a unified user concept
in the sense of having e.g. One common table for reasons already stated.

> 
> One thing is interdependent modules another thing is modules using the
> same libraries. I hope it is clear that what I was writing for is the
> latter, not the first.

That is exactly what Daniel Thomas is proposing and has already created much
of it. The RFC and the extension wilol be published soon.

> 
>> Therefore the rather thin definition of the FE-User (basically the id) and
>> the notion of attaching information about rights and ownerships to the
>> records themselves, is much more flexible and extensible.
>> 
>> On a more systematic scale, I believe calling for unification on the grounds
>> that frontend interaction is as important as backend interaction today, is
>> too superficial.
>> 
> That - again - depends on what you intend to use the system for. I'd be
> really, really happy if someone provided me with a system equivalent
> with typo3s frontend plugins where I didn't have to worry about
> permissions. That would make my life a lot easier.

I agree, having separate ways of generating FEUser interfaces and rights
logic for each extension should not continue. But as Robert already pointed
out, he, Julle and Daniel T are working on this subject. Expect news in this
department soon and look for the thread "FE edit concepts" on this list for
the basics.
As already said, lots has been created already and it will be available (and
up for completion and you help) soon.

> 
>> Summarising these two "worlds" will not, in my opinion, mean a more uniform,
>> but a more open approach. Practically speaking, it is important to go the
>> way Robert and René have indicated, of making (existing) functionality more
>> reusable on all ends of the system.
>> 
> To go further into the details - if a slightly more generic permission
> system as the one used in the backend was available *as an option* to
> frontend developers, it would be really nice.

Again, I agree that a more complete, rather than generic (?) concept is
needed. I am for it because it is needed, however I do not draw the same
conclusions, like one table for all users, etc.

Cheers

Daniel


> 
> Regards,
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
> 
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