[TYPO3-UG Italy] Fwd: [TYPO3-dev] Poll: Should we keep supporting "global extensions"?

Tonix - Antonio Nati tonix at interazioni.it
Fri Dec 12 10:14:51 CET 2014 

Il global è carino, ma probabilmente insufficiente di per se.

L'area global in realtà, secondo me, dovrebbe essere multiversione ed 
indipendente dal sorgente TYPO3.

Oggi come oggi, se fai un cambiamento di versione di TYPO3, ti devi 
copiare tutta la global nel nuovo sorgente, e se invece aggiorni solo 
un'estensione, potrebbe andare bene per un sito ma non per altri.

Ciao,

Tonino

Il 11/12/2014 09:48, Alessandro Tuveri ha scritto:
> Ciao
> non ho idea se parteggi o meno per il GLOBAL scope, ma a mio parere, dato che tutto sommato TYPO3 ha sempre garantito una sorta di retrocompatibilita', sarebbe meglio che questa caratteristica (se possibile) fosse mantenuta.
> Ho visto qualche post e vedo che ci sono persone incavolate perche' hanno da molto tempo il GLOBAL attivo per una marea di siti; questo significa spendere numerose ore di tempo per portare le estensioni da G a L; io lo ho fatto per la v. 6.2 -- si potrebbe dire: "beh, cogli l'occasione e sistema la cosa..." ma la prospettiva non piace. attendo un tuo parere
>
> ALEX
>
>
> ________________________________________
> Da: typo3-ug-italy-bounces at lists.typo3.org <typo3-ug-italy-bounces at lists.typo3.org> per conto di Ivano Luberti <luberti at archicoop.it>
> Inviato: mercoledì 10 dicembre 2014 17:25
> A: typo3-ug-italy at lists.typo3.org
> Oggetto: Re: [TYPO3-UG Italy] Fwd: [TYPO3-dev] Poll: Should we keep supporting "global extensions"?
>
> Ciao Alessandro il dibattito e quindi le motivazioni dei pro e dei
> contro li puoi leggere qui:
>
> http://typo3.3.n7.nabble.com/Poll-Should-we-keep-supporting-quot-global-extensions-quot-td269656.html#a269662
>
> credo sia meglio che un mio riassunto
>
>
> Il 09/12/2014 13:55, Alessandro Tuveri ha scritto:
>> Ciao Ivano
>> grazie per il post. Non capisco perche' vogliano far fuori lo scope GLOBAL ad ogni costo (complessita'di programazione?). Infatti ho trovato molto utile questa opzione  e quindi l'uso di Global in diversi server dove gli stessi siti condividono anche il sorgente di TYPO3 CMS.
>> Ora presumo che GLOBAL sia molto utile per consentire a chi aggiorna  tutti i siti di installare ad es. una sola versione di tt_news per aggiornarla periodicamente ed evitare di fare login sito-per-sito, il che e' molto seccante, dispendioso e alla fine costoso per il cliente.
>> attendo commenti.
>> saluti
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Da: typo3-ug-italy-bounces at lists.typo3.org <typo3-ug-italy-bounces at lists.typo3.org> per conto di Ivano Luberti <luberti at archicoop.it>
>> Inviato: martedì 9 dicembre 2014 10:12
>> A: TYPO3 Usergroup Italy
>> Oggetto: [TYPO3-UG Italy] Fwd: [TYPO3-dev] Poll: Should we keep supporting      "global extensions"?
>>
>> Questo sondaggio informale sta avvenendo sulla mailing list degli
>> sviluppatori TYPO3.
>> Dato che ricordavo che qualcuno in lista ancora usava questa opzione, ne
>> ho perorato la causa.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Messaggio originale --------
>> Oggetto:        [TYPO3-dev] Poll: Should we keep supporting "global extensions"?
>> Data:   Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:21:42 +0100
>> Mittente:       Benjamin Mack <benni at typo3.org>
>> Rispondi-a:     List for Core-/Extension development
>> <typo3-dev at lists.typo3.org>
>> Organizzazione:         TYPO3 Association
>> A:      typo3-dev at lists.typo3.org
>> Gruppi di discussione:  typo3.teams.core,typo3.dev
>> Inoltra a::     typo3.dev
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey everybody,
>>
>> today I need your opinion, so please be so kind to hit reply with a
>> quick response.
>>
>> As for the introduction:
>>
>> TYPO3 features the functionality of "system extensions" (located under
>> "typo3/sysext/") - extensions that come with the Core. Then, there are
>> "global" extensions, which can be put under "typo3/ext/". This is useful
>> if you have a third-party-extension that you want to distribute to
>> multiple installations (like e.g. tt_news back then in 3.6) that *you*
>> download and install there. This feature is really only helpful if you
>> have 1 TYPO3 source, that multiple installations are using, but comes
>> with the price that you need to copy all your global extensions when
>> updating TYPO3 from 4.5.12 to 4.5.13.
>> Then you have the "local" extensions under "typo3conf/ext/", - your
>> installation-specific extensions, which I guess, all of you are using.
>>
>> We are currently think of dropping the "global" extension concept which
>> we think (but don't know for sure) is rarely used since ages, and also
>> pretty much unmaintained, as we consider this feature with all the
>> composer-bells-and-whistles today not useful for keeping.
>>
>> So as a roundup:
>>
>>   * System extensions: typo3/sysext/
>>   * Your global extensions: typo3/ext/
>>   * Your local extensions: typo3conf/ext/
>>
>> What I would like to know is simple:
>>
>>    Are you using the "global extension" feature currently?
>>
>> All of you with Gerrit access, feel free to vote the pending patch as well:
>>
>>    https://review.typo3.org/#/c/34552/
>>
>> Thanks for your time!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Benni
>> _______________________________________________
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>> TYPO3-dev at lists.typo3.org
>> http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-dev
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ________________________________________
>> Da: typo3-ug-italy-bounces at lists.typo3.org <typo3-ug-italy-bounces at lists.typo3.org> per conto di Ivano Luberti <luberti at archicoop.it>
>> Inviato: martedì 9 dicembre 2014 10:12
>> A: TYPO3 Usergroup Italy
>> Oggetto: [TYPO3-UG Italy] Fwd: [TYPO3-dev] Poll: Should we keep supporting      "global extensions"?
>>
>> Questo sondaggio informale sta avvenendo sulla mailing list degli
>> sviluppatori TYPO3.
>> Dato che ricordavo che qualcuno in lista ancora usava questa opzione, ne
>> ho perorato la causa.
>>
>>
>>
>> -------- Messaggio originale --------
>> Oggetto:        [TYPO3-dev] Poll: Should we keep supporting "global extensions"?
>> Data:   Mon, 08 Dec 2014 11:21:42 +0100
>> Mittente:       Benjamin Mack <benni at typo3.org>
>> Rispondi-a:     List for Core-/Extension development
>> <typo3-dev at lists.typo3.org>
>> Organizzazione:         TYPO3 Association
>> A:      typo3-dev at lists.typo3.org
>> Gruppi di discussione:  typo3.teams.core,typo3.dev
>> Inoltra a::     typo3.dev
>>
>>
>>
>> Hey everybody,
>>
>> today I need your opinion, so please be so kind to hit reply with a
>> quick response.
>>
>> As for the introduction:
>>
>> TYPO3 features the functionality of "system extensions" (located under
>> "typo3/sysext/") - extensions that come with the Core. Then, there are
>> "global" extensions, which can be put under "typo3/ext/". This is useful
>> if you have a third-party-extension that you want to distribute to
>> multiple installations (like e.g. tt_news back then in 3.6) that *you*
>> download and install there. This feature is really only helpful if you
>> have 1 TYPO3 source, that multiple installations are using, but comes
>> with the price that you need to copy all your global extensions when
>> updating TYPO3 from 4.5.12 to 4.5.13.
>> Then you have the "local" extensions under "typo3conf/ext/", - your
>> installation-specific extensions, which I guess, all of you are using.
>>
>> We are currently think of dropping the "global" extension concept which
>> we think (but don't know for sure) is rarely used since ages, and also
>> pretty much unmaintained, as we consider this feature with all the
>> composer-bells-and-whistles today not useful for keeping.
>>
>> So as a roundup:
>>
>>   * System extensions: typo3/sysext/
>>   * Your global extensions: typo3/ext/
>>   * Your local extensions: typo3conf/ext/
>>
>> What I would like to know is simple:
>>
>>    Are you using the "global extension" feature currently?
>>
>> All of you with Gerrit access, feel free to vote the pending patch as well:
>>
>>    https://review.typo3.org/#/c/34552/
>>
>> Thanks for your time!
>>
>> All the best,
>> Benni
>> _______________________________________________
>> TYPO3-dev mailing list
>> TYPO3-dev at lists.typo3.org
>> http://lists.typo3.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/typo3-dev
>>
>>
>>
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