[TYPO3-hci] BE vs FE

[Waldemar Kornewald]

Hi Tapio,
I'll reply to some stuff publicly because it might be of interest for
the whole list (and 4.5 design).

On 8/1/06, Tapio Markula <tapio.markula at dnainternet.net> wrote:
> And in my plugin you can remove any buttons except 'Edit'. The order of
> button is my opion of the order - maybe not the best order.
> But it is too complicated to give users set the order - nothing else
> than just too complicated (not impossible).

I agree that this (specifying button order) would be useless fuzz. I'm
not against your button order. It's good.

> > There is no good separation between each record. The row with the "New
> > content ..." button should get a different background color, so the
> > page looks cleaner.
>
> maybe - to use the same color was just my opinion - looked nice that all
> buttons are gray

The buttons can stay grey, but the table row's background color could
be changed...maybe a little bit darker, maybe just white.
Alternatively, what about inserting a horizontal line between records?

> > Can't the row at the top (page name and buttons) replace the
> > PAGECONTENT row or at least PAGECONTENT go away? It only takes up
> > screen space and has no real function (the rows already mention the
> > word "Content" and an "Add Content" would make it obvious, too).
>
> The row *has* meaning. The view can show *also* calendar and address
> items. It is not redundant - except in case that there is just normal
> content elements. It is not possible to take off just PAGECONTENT
> - also other headers will disappear, which is bad, if there are CALENDAR
> ITEMS etc. too!

Hmm, can't we make it more useful, then? For example, by moving the
top bar (page name and buttons) into that place? This is not just
related to your plugin, but about 4.5 in general.

> > The context-menu when clicking on a page icon is very overloaded, too.
>
> It is possible to take off default items from this context menu too.

V4.5 should have better defaults in this regard and not show all items.

> > Then, why is there a distinction between images and files? Can't Typo3
> > automtically recognize the file type?
>
> different presentation - image show actual images, but files just file
> names.
> It is reasonable to have two kind of presentation.

Well, you could have two kinds of views for folders: list view and
image view  (like in WinXP)
The current system introduces a special distinction between images and
files although both could be handled the same way.

Why are files not part of a page's List View? You could handle files
exactly like any other items and completely get rid of the special
"Files" section. Files would be easier to find if they were part of
the main page referring to them.

> > And pretty please fix the BE-FE user separation. :)
>
> I can't do anything for that - but I can propose to improve the

Well, that was a wish for the 4.5 dev team.

Bye,
Waldemar Kornewald