[TYPO3-ect] Eclipse Plugin Development Status

[Elmar Hinz]

Hi Ries, like vim a dutch product if a am right, :-)

ries van Twisk wrote:

> 
> I don't know much about vim at all.......
> But how does vim handle these items:
> 
>   - DDL design for databases (graphically)
>   - Subversion control
>   - grouping files into projects
>   - Reporting tools like bird
>   - debugging (PHP, flex, java)
>   - DB connections to quickly query databases
>   - Adobe Flex designs
> 
> The reason I ask because like me, and properly many other we use
> Eclipse because we don't want to switch many different programs
> to do a task.

Vim is a text editor and nothing more. But it's one of the most powerfull
and that is the point. I like to use the best tool for every task. In most
cases there is no difference for me switching inside an IDE or switching
inside my desktop. Think of the desktop as an IDE, that uses only the best
tools available. Customize the desktops key bindings to your needs, like an
IDE. 

What is certainly missing are update signals between the different tools, a
price I have to pay for this freedom.

> 
> Eclipse can do a lot of tasks in one tool so me (we?) don't have to
> happen
> a lot of programs to do what each program can do best.

A lot of tools, but not always the best ones. If only one tool is weak in an
IDE, the fun of the whole thing goes away. Take troublesome SVN with
eclipse. On Windows turtoise is much more stable. On Linux I still prefer
the commandline for simple updates and submits ... a few words and it's
done, including the comment.

> I know that Eclipse is not the best for all tools, but it does
> do a good job doing what it can do. without opening a lot of programs
> on my desktop.

Wich is not a problem for me. Lot of progs instead a confusing IDE. Not that
big difference :-)

> I seriously tried vim... But I start to get lost already
> when I need to copy a block of date to a other file.
> At least in eclipse it's just command-x / command-v.

Block copy:   V jjjjjjjjjjj 
Paste:        y

In fact the key combinations of vim are many years older than the MS
company, wich has set the standards of today. Because of this it's only a
tool for hardcore developers. There is simply no other text editor of
similar power apart from emacs. I used emacs for years before switching to
vim. 

This may become the modern solution: http://cream.sourceforge.net/

> 
> And I did end up using vim when I want to do something remotely only.

That's one of the reasons for me to switch to vim. It's available everywhere
on each terminal and you have full speed like on your local PC. 

Regards

Elmar