[TYPO3-ect] sponsoring lib/div

[Johnny Peck]

Aloha ECT,

I understand your position on this matter Elmar but leaving out an 
entire group of contributors in this way is not a great idea.  Many 
people using TYPO3 could easily see the benefits of lib/div but would be 
very intimidated or completely unable to support the effort aside from 
monetary contributions, which very much so fits your idea but now 
considers this group of contributors.

Let me say I understand that much of ECT movement at the moment is heavy 
on development and an incredible result thus far.  I have recently 
completed a private Inventory Control System for non-barcoded products 
for wholesale flower distributor with thousands of products moving every 
day using your work, Elmar, on lib/div.  I have also been using Chris 
Welzels' work on the Kickstarter MVC, which is a great direction so far 
and seems almost a revolution of sorts for the kickstarter, though I did 
not use it for the ICS mentioned.  I did use it for extending the ICS 
though and a big thumbs up Chris! I hope to find time (and money!) to 
contribute in the future, at the moment I am trying to build a business 
which is not the easiest thing to do as many of you may know.  On that 
note, what about a "business of typo3" news group? Just a thought.

Getting back to the issue at hand. Think of it as a question.  What is 
most important for lib/div?  Support in every way is the answer.

A compromise can be considered between the two positions.  Instead of 
directing the money at lib/div, it could be asked that contributions be 
made directly to the T3 Association in the name of ECT or lib/div but 
make it clear the funds may not necessarily be used for such 
development.  As an example, users of TYPO3 that spend money on T3 but 
may not be technical in practice would most likely be aware of the 
effort and complete redesign for TYPO3 5.0.  This monetary contributor 
wants to support ideas such as lib/div already and as far as I know, 
these ideas are heavy on the minds for version 5.0. Thus, maybe the 
contribution would be pointed by the Association at 5.0 but with the 
knowledge of why the money is there in the first place, lib/div or ECT. 
This would promote a good atmosphere for contributions I believe. I must 
say I have only thought about it whilst writing this reply though, 
streaming mind at the moment, I apologize if I offend anyone.

We can already sponsor a willing developer to fix a bug, which is 
wonderful in that context.  People in serious need of a feature that 
should work or this and that is wonderful and doing it with the bug 
tracker is perfect for now.  That model also limits the ability of a 
single unit driving direction of a project by funding or isolation and 
introducing a situation of limited scope such as Elmar brought up.

Anyhow, that is quite a bit of text up there so I am going to sign off 
on this one for now.  My thoughts are out there.  Thank you everyone 
working on the ECT projects as you have really brought back the luster 
of TYPO3 in my eyes.  Talk to you soon.

Aloha

Johnny


PS. It is rather annoying that every time I open a response from a post 
I have to scroll through all the previous text prior to the post that I 
already read.  In Mozilla Firefox -> Tools -> Account Settings -> 
[select under TYPO3 newsgroup] Composition and Addressing -> [Check 
Box(yes)] Automatically quote this message..? -> Then, [Drop Down] start 
my reply above the quote..END.. Thats it, then we have a prettier 
newsgroup. What is it for other browsers?  Have a wonderful evening and 
thank you for everything you do.

Elmar Hinz wrote:
> Fabien Udriot wrote:
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>> Hi everyone
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>> I would like to know a bit more about the sponsoring of lib/div. Does it
>> have any financial support from the TYPO3 association or from some one
>> else ? Or is it only a voluntary work ?
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> Hi Fabien,
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> one idea of lib/div is, that extension developers do a library in common,
> that exctly fits their need. So far every extension developer writes it's
> own one. There are many libraries in TER, but all are missing something. So
> our idea has been, that it is much more economic for all, to maintain a
> common library. 
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> Financial sponsoring doesn't fit very well, with this model. As soon as you
> pay some developers, the others will have less motivation to contribute.
> Now that the fundamental part's are done, I don't think, that we should
> change the model. In the moment people are starting to use the library
> (when beta), the amount of contributions will surely grow.
> 
> Regards
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> Elmar
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