[TYPO3-v4] Minutes of the 3rd meeting of the 4.7 Release Team

[Steffen Gebert]

>> To test it, please apply these four patches:
>
> really? are you kidding? and if I find a problem I stop all 4 because I
> don't know which causes what?

Are *you* kidding? Please keep splitting it up in smaller tasks.
Just that Gerrit is still lacking a "topic review" functionality (all 
commits reviewed together), it doesn't mean that one commit should bring 
everything.

 > If it works, merge it and bugs are done
> one by one. If it doesn't work, make it start. Sorry but at least I
> don't have the time to do more. I really want to test the new things and
> report bugs or improve those but they need to be included in master and
> not in 4 reviews.

"Merge it, we will fix bugs later" - sounds like old times with EM and 
so on - things that are buggy from the beginning and annoy people for 
years afterwards as promises are not kept. Same goes (but not so 
extreme) for FORM. Susanne did a 10+ hours review, her comments were not 
incorporated at all.
No thanks!

I see no chance for just putting the huge patches into Gerrit and 
waiting for people to scroll through, apply and click around, and giving 
their +1 afterwards. There should be really reviewers, who know the 
topic and the big picture of the upcoming changes. So yes, I say that 
reviews for BLE should be mainly done by people who were involved in BLE 
(not saying that I will not review anything..).

And in general: Big projects (=patches) need better coordination - not 
one developer only. Figure out, who is willing to spend time on 
reviewing/discussing them and bring author(s) + reviewer (virtually) 
together for some hours.

Regarding the "development stalled": Yes, kind a mix of everything 
mentioned. I mainly work for server team the last weeks, as I consider 
this team even more dead than the core team.

Kind regards
Steffen

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Steffen Gebert
TYPO3 v4 Core Team Member
TYPO3 Server Administration Team Member

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