[TYPO3-v4] Minutes from the 17th Skype meeting of the release 4.5 team

[Ingmar Schlecht]

Hi Ernesto,

I assume you mean IM4 / IM5 when you wrote IE4 / IE5, right? ;-)

cheers
Ingmar

Am 09.11.2010 18:31, schrieb Ernesto Baschny [cron IT]:
> Hi dear friends,
> 
> Yesterday we hold our 17th Skype meeting for the 4.5 release. We were
> complete: Ben van't Ende (community manager), Olly Hader (core team
> leader), Benni Mack (4.4 release manager), Steffen Kamper (4.5 technical
> leader) and Ernesto Baschny (4.5 release manager).
> 
> =====================================================================
> Topics from last week
> =====================================================================
> 
> See [1].
> 
> * UTF-8 by default: Benni will put it on the core list soon, as it is
> already ready. Stucki can review later also.
> * Reports module: Ernesto didn't contact Ingo yet, will do
> * Indexed Search: Dmitry answered that he will work on IS this week.
> * Admin Panel design: not solved yet, and wasn't discussed with the
> Design team yet (no time today)
> * "Native Speaker Team" also for use in core. Ben wanted to talk with
> the guys. The topics of the meeting with Daniel Hinderik were others
> (editorial stuff) and the topic was not touched.
> 
> [1]
> http://forge.typo3.org/projects/typo3v45-projects/wiki/Minutes_16th_Meeting_2010-11-02
> 
> =====================================================================
> Release related
> =====================================================================
> 
> Grid View status update
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Thomas gave some feedback and is 70% done with the project. He will
> present a patch soon. Discussion will take place on a further meeting
> with Joey on Tuesday 16h30.
> 
> New Extension Manager
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Jeff finished his part on EM. He went through all the issues, and
> synchronized the branch with current trunk.
> 
> Steffen is preparing the RFC for the new EM module *without* the new EM
> (only class refactoring).
> 
> In RFC #16290 the naming of the classes were discussed. We decided to
> rename the classes to tx_em_* to follow our convention.
> 
> Styling was already discussed with Jens in Stuttgart, Steffen will take
> comments in account when presenting the RFC.
> 
> IM4 / IM5 deprecation
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> We talked a lot about the issue of deprecating IE4 and/or IE5 in TYPO3
> Core. After plenty of discussions about pros and cons and potential
> consequences, we came up with these arguments:
> 
> 1. 4.5 is a LTS, and we want to stay backwards compatible, thus *support
> for IE4+IE5 stays*.
> 2. We mark IE4+IE5 as *deprecated in 4.5*.
> 3. We form a "task force" which is meant to create a testbed to be able
> to fix and see the effects of fixes on all potential variants more
> easily. We should ask Jigal if he wants to support or even lead this team.
> 4. After having the test scenarios, we can start going over the bugs and
> then we can decide if it makes our live easier by dropping support for
> IE4+5 in 4.6 already.
> 
> Some other side-notes:
> 
> * Steffen Ritter had some trouble (also performance-wise) when creating
> sprites with IM/GM, which is why they are now created using gdlib2.
> * IM4 was the original supported graphical generation toolkit for TYPO3
> ("4.2.9" being the recommended version for a long time).
> * IM5 was introduced later and since the API changed a lot, lots of
> "switches" were added.
> * GM came in as a fork to IE5 with the aim of providing a stable API,
> which is why GM was recommended since TYPO3 4.0
> * IM6 (and GM) switched the order of parameters for "composite"
> * There are also many issues regarding: safe_mode, Windows vs Unix which
> might not related to IE4 at all.
> 
> Versioning with IRRE
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Olly has one problem still to work on, then he will forward-port the
> fixes for 4.5 (current trunk). Benni offered his help when Olly comes to
> the part where he needs to touch parts of TCEmain which were extracted
> to "version" extension.
> 
> Workspace Team / Module
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> The team will have a Skype meeting at 18h. Olly will send the protocol
> to the core team. Plan is to have every new feature in core list this week.
> 
> Currently the work is on GIT [2].
> 
> It was also suggested by Olly that the Workspaces team gets a status
> like the DBAL "team" in future, meaning less bureocracy to get fixes
> into the core.
> 
> [2] https://github.com/t3dev/typo3v4core/tree/workspace-bugfixes
> 
> Install Tool
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> Patrick worked on the install tool since the T3UXW09. There are lots of
> stuff to be done for the Install Tool, but no one knew of a definitive
> list of issues. Ben thinks there is none written down.
> 
> Ernesto just recalled some pending stuff:
> 
> * Streamline usability of Upgrade Wizard
> * Translation of the Install Tool (e.g. French / German)
> * Usability of "All Configuration"
> * etc..
> 
> =====================================================================
> Organizational
> =====================================================================
> 
> Usability & Design team forge restructuring
> ---------------------------------------------
> 
> After our meeting on Friday with the design team, it was decided to
> restructure the "Design & Usability" forge team pages a bit. Ernesto
> explained the changes:
> 
> * One main project "Design" [3]
> * Two sub projects:
>   * "Usability team" [4]: (the old "HCI team"): Lars, Jens and the team,
> providing new ideas, screen designs. The tracker is the central hub
> where to discuss and develop new user interface options.
>   * "Skin team" [5] (formerly known as "CSS team"): As soon as an issue
> is approved by the Usability team, a new issue is created on the "Skin
> team", which is then in charge of implementing the interface (CSS,
> ExtJS, maybe some basic PHP).
> 
> The Skin team is being build right now, Ben is recruiting around 6
> members to work on our backends CSS. There are already some tasks there,
> like:
> 
> * Skinning the new WS module (#10642 and #10684)
> * "Path" on Web>Page in the doc header, which will stay, needs to be
> trimmed. Jens will come up with some mock-up first
> 
> Ernesto tried to contact the "server team" about an instance where to
> test the new CSS features, but got no response yet. He'll try again.
> 
> As soon as we have the member list and workflow 100% defined, we will
> announce it in an article.
> 
> Ernesto also discussed with Jens that the "HCI list" should die, keeping
> only "the archives" [6]. Goal is to use only forge in future.
> 
> [3] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/design
> [4] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/usability
> [5] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/skin
> [6] http://lists.typo3.org/pipermail/typo3-team-hci/
> 
> New Languages and translation start
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> We have "Khmer" as a new language. Ernesto asked when the "translation
> workflow" will start. Olly explained that usually on first "beta" the
> process begins, with Dmitry updating the server to that version and the
> new labels being loaded.
> 
> @Ernesto will send an reminder on the translation mailing list that we
> will have feature freeze soon and that the translation teams can start
> "warming up the engines".
> 
> Related to labels, Steffen reminded of the additional work still missing
> regarding the new labels we have for "page" and "tt_content", which
> would be to adapt also the "CSH" labels to the new label names. Many
> help text still refers to labels as they have been before and not the
> new style. This has to be considered before people start translating.
> 
> Intro Package in French
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> The language speaking community would love to have a French language
> intro package (with French content, French comments, etc). Peter Beernik
> is in touch with Ernesto and the server team to try to make it happen
> for beta2. As soon as we have the infrastructure settled, the French
> language team could start working on it. Ben is the hub to communicate
> with this team.
> 
> FAL (file abstraction layer) Code Sprint
> ------------------------------------------
> 
> We talked again about the "FAL code sprint" [7] that will happen on this
> weekend in Düsseldorf (WMDB). Steffen will be there on Saturday. We have
> good expectations and morale and motivation is high. We might have three
> core developers (Rupi, Steffen, Ingmar) and several other developers, so
> the chance to get things committed is high.
> 
> [7] http://forge.typo3.org/projects/typo3v4-fileabstractionlayer/wiki/Wiki
> 
> =====================================================================
> Next meetings
> =====================================================================
> 
> * "Page tree" meeting later that day (Steffen Kamper, Stefan Galinski)
> * Workspaces team at 18h
> * Grid View team Tuesday at 16h30
> * Design Team vs Core Team on Friday 11h
> * FAL code sprint this weekend
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> Ernesto
>