[TYPO3-ttnews] Switch to news2

[Jordan van Bergen]

+1 for Robert 

but reading this thread I know now:

1. news is here to stay and tt_news is GONE !

2. No import script to get all the news from tt_news to news. BAD. You
have to sponsor is the anwser. If news is going or willing to be the
new news extenision it should at least have the import function from
tt_news otherwise news could turn out to be a wannabe news extension
as everyone is going to stick to tt_news because they can't
export/import them in the new news extension.

About sponsoring:

* I am a user that has sponsored in the past 3.000+ euro's to TYPO3
extensions. 

I have sponsored the news_calendar, multishop, ideal payment method in
tt_product extensions etc. 

Another thing to say is that I have sponsored 1.000 euro to an iDEAL
payment method in tt_product by netcreators which I didn't need
myself. It was a contribution to TYPO3 and an online shop solution.
The first user wanting to use this payment method (after 2 years) had
to pay another 2.000 euro as the code was outdated he was told. So
first 1.000 euro for the whole implementation and then 2.000 to adapt
it? Strange. The guy decided to not use tt_product because of this and
left TYPO3.

So my 2 cents about sponsoring. I won't sponsor any eurocent into
extensions anymore as the money goes into extension you can't trust
will last en keep on functioning in future. 

Still I will use TYPO3 but as said I'm broadening my horizon. In the
last 2 years 5 customers left because of TYPO3. They switched to
Joomla, Drupal and Wordpress. So they are some of the people
responsible for the reduction in market share for TYPO3 in the CMS
"business". I still don't use one of them but I will see what's going
to happen with TYPO3 as the whole discussion about the news extension
is typical. 

The TYPO3 users are faced with a dilemma. Users shouldn't have to
think about dilemma's but how to use the CMS system in a simple and
easy way. Nothing is easy anymore because of the news extension
dilemma / troubles.

Best Regards
Jordan

On Sat, 17 Sep 2011 13:39:00 +0200, Robert Wildling
<robertwildling at gmail.com> wrote:

>A topic that obviousely is of more people's interest! I'd like to add my 
>2 cents here since I already had some discussion in the past without 
>having any impact.
>
>Am 17.09.11 12:25, schrieb Jigal van Hemert:
>
>>> The people behind TYPO3 are making some big mistakes if you ask me:
>>
>> Since TYPO3 is a community product, "the people behind TYPO3" is also you!
>
>
>This discussion is characterized by the very standard arguments coming 
>from the core developers. And "The People behing TYPO3 is also you" is 
>exactely one of them.
>
>Not all people behing TYPO3 are programmers - actually I assume only a 
>small percentage is. But it is those people - the users - who make TYPO3 
>a wide spread and therefore famous CMS. Which is also a curse, because - 
>and this is really to be realized! - TYPO3 is a standard CMS that many 
>firms, agency etc demand when it comes to gathering offers for their web 
>presence. "It has to be TYPO3". (Why not Drupal?)
>
>So meanwhile as a web developer (in Europe at least) there is _no way_ 
>around TYPO3, if one wants to stay in business - whether you like TYPO3 
>or not, you _need to know it_!
>
>The power of decision influence that TYPO3 has on the marked has to be 
>reflected when it comes to the discussion that it is a free CMS. Shall 
>everybody donate to TYPO3 so that the features that are really necessary 
>will one day get implemented? I personally won't, because developers do 
>their thing and seem to absolutely no be willing to implement the 
>features that so many people need who made it famous - and who are now 
>depended on TYPO3.
>
>It is about time that the core developers start to rethink some facts:
>
>>> 1. No core news extension but an addon extension. Every big open
>>> source CMS has a news module in the core of the basic installed CMS
>>> system
>>
>> The Core Team simply doesn't have the man power available to maintain a
>> lot of extensions. Every user of TYPO3 has a different set of "must
>> have" extensions. It's simply impossible to maintain them all inside the
>> core.
>
>
>Is is nothing else but the truth that every other major CMS has a news 
>module. The - again - often read "excuse" that "the core team does not 
>have the man power" ... is lame and boring. Why do you have the man 
>power for a workspace module? Or a link validator? Or the new Extension 
>manager? Or all those Content Elements, where one has a subheader, the 
>other one not - and excluding it just leads to bugs and more work for 
>you developers? (That was a recent discussion here, maybe you remember...)
>
>No doubt - those are fancy and shiny extensions and all those 
>configuration possibilities - it is soooo feature rich that TYPO3 can't 
>be anything else but an _Enterprise_ CMS. And the programming skills are 
>admirable! Actually so admirable that I wonder what is so difficult with 
>a basic news system? Extend the date functionalies, integrate a category 
>system, maybe a new menu type for archive menues - and voila!
>
>This is what I dare to say - please proof me wrong:
>
>- A news system is needed by way more people than a workspace / link 
>validator and other stuff
>
>- A news system actually WAS ORIGINALLY SHIPPED with TYPO3 when Kaspar 
>brought it to the market. It was maybe not very rich of features as was 
>tt_news, but actually I do not understand why that respective news 
>module wasn't developed any further. Please explain, core team.
>
>
>>> 2. The battle for the best extension per solution. Someone should say:
>>> this is the news extension we support and the rest can do what ever
>>> they want but you are on your own. We only support 1 news extension.
>>
>> TYPO3 / the Core Team doesn't support any of these extensions. Of course
>> extension developers get as much help as possible with maintaining their
>> extensions, but anything that is in the TER is simply not part of the
>> TYPO3 core.
>
>Well - make news a core EXT again! It is just about time I'd say!
>
>The problem with all that discussion here is that we as users won't have 
>any chance either way, because the core team cooks its own soup - a vey 
>good soup, but not one for every day hunger. The users can bring in one 
>argument after the other, the other CMSs can evolve further and further 
>- TYPO3 just won't jump on the train.
>
>And all I hear as a user is either the excuses from above (no man power, 
>no time, no use, it is an ext.. etc...) or - and this didn't comeup yet 
>-: don't forget: Typo3 is actually a _framework_, not a CMS...
>
>Meanwhile, actually, I think it is too late to incorporate a news 
>feature into the core. TYPO3 became too complex and - talking about 
>tt_news spaghetti code - how well is TYPO3 core code, if it is sooo 
>difficult and / or time consuming to implement a news feature? Putting 
>all the weight on Rupi who did a great job with tt_news does not seem 
>fair to me at all!!! There must be reason why he left off from TYPO3...
>
>Again - core team, beloved core team: it is really time to rethink!!! 
>You do get lost in all your fancy configuration stuff and additional 
>features that you completely lost the view for the things that are needed!
>
>Regards,
>Robert