[TYPO3-ttnews] Switch to news

[Georg Ringer]

Hi,

Am 17.09.2011 16:18, schrieb Robert Wildling:
> Thanks for your response, Georg! It must be hard for you: you did
> actually the work that most of us needed - rewrite the all important
> news ext - and still: critique all over the place...

this is something which comes all the time but yes it isn't that easy
sometimes.

> Well - as for me: I love your news ext! So much that it should actually
> be a core ... ;-)

thanks but love is not a criteria for it. Furthermore having it *not* in
the core means that features can come faster than all 6months (as a
release of TYPO3).

> And actually - no offense, Georg: but you are one of those developers,
> who first says "no" to almost everything that comes from users. 

yes I know that. SOme words about that. It is a no for features which
are not that important (for me) in the first place. There are not so
many people working for the extension currently, therefore it is for 98%
of everything me who will implement it. Therefore I got the freedome to
decide because I need to do it (in my free time, instead of having time
for my girlfriend, blablablabla).

If there is a regular team and another member wants to do a feature from
the roadmap, I won't have a problem with it.

> That
> makes it a bit hard to keep up fighting for an idea, because: how can
> things be changed, if a non-programmer has a need for sth? (Lets not
> discuss the ext system a "pay a developer"-line now, that's just not the
> only way.) I would like to read one discussion here where you go along
> with the idea of another... sorry, but true for me. Please proof me wrong!

As said: I am happy to integrate more features like the calendar thing
and so on but I guess some things like a category view or a search could
be more important.

Furthermore it was *very* important for me to have the 1st version out
there which was maybe a small step code wise but not so small at other
things.

> I would very much like to talk to a core developer here who actually
> really thinks along with what users need. But where are they?

Maybe a silent reader like Ben could enlighten us. First of all
something like that should be done in person because it makes so many
things easier when you meet. Are you at t3con, t3board? Let us dring a
beer and meet.

> 
> The simple answer to your "whys" and "buts" is: because other systems
> ship it natively. It is a standard. It is one of those things that makes
> live easier. It is an "overall usability feature". 

I agree there but still I think that it should not be shipped nativly
with the core because there are also drawbacks like the release cycle.

I just had an interesting idea which would be awesome for me and I guess
it would solve your problem too: 1st: If you know the idea of "a class
extensions", read one, if not read
http://buzz.typo3.org/people/olivier-dobberkau/article/a-class-extensions-name-your-tune/

What about an extension manager which would show those a-class extension
at the same (or nearly the same) place as system extensions. Therefore
it would be for every user like installing an sys ext but code would
still come from EM.

> But: google for TYPO3 tt_news and TYPO3 Workspace - and I think the
> answer is there.

forums are always full of troubles and problems, so maybe because people
got som many troubles with tt_news? just kidding.

But maybe the core team should just make a voting which extensions
should be shipped with the core. Before the news extension should be
shipped, IMO it still needs some polish and some further features

> And I again would like to emphazie that I DO VERY MUCH APPRECIATE your,
> Georg Ringer, work!!! Since years!

Thanks a lot!
it could be you buying the beer at the next event ;)

Georg