[TYPO3-templavoila] TYPO3-project-templavoila Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1
Andi
cocopapa at gmail.com
Tue May 5 15:46:11 CEST 2015
I have been told actually by Alexander that he is very interested to continue the work and that he is refaktoring a lot.
Until now there is unfortunately no real Alternatve to templavoila, even it is great to see how Version 7 is now developing in the right direction but it is happening unfortunately much to late as customers need sutions now and not in several years from now.
Check back all those discussions before 2008 were lots of people rant against TemplaVoila and now the first post on git to that topic show that now the core team wod be perhaps more willing to get things integrated into the core so that more great TV will be actually available by default.
Wouters and Alexander did great work no doubt and I am sure that there will be some continuing, perhaps if it won't be as easy visible as right now! There are much to much customers out there which are actually until now NOT willing to start with fluid or gridelements or themes as they are still very happy with templavoila.
The framework for templavoila is also no more visible for those who don't know where to get the dev version but it is working just great in TYPO3 6.2.
As long as there is no real alternative to TV and all its features - multilingual - fux is reall crappy when you have to deal with lots of translations and test it out with huge sides uffff. better not.
What will be the timeframe until those great TV features perhaps would be integrated into the TYPO3 Core???
5 or 7 years from now?
yes there is a fast development of TYPO3 Version7 and more and more extensions are working in versions higher than 7.1.99 and we actually use it for smaller projects.
Moox is a very nice alternatve based on Flux too but has those flux related problems which does it make a non recommended system for bigger or even multilingual sites.
So what do you recommend customers which are running now on Templavoila?
I tell you what we do, if they are not at all interested in moving to another templating method.
We recommend them to stay with TYPO3 AND TemplaVoila in 6.2 (and until now we converted already lots of TV Framework sites to 6.2 successfully) and If they are willing to swith to flux or other TYPO3 ways of doing Templates we are also moving them there but to be honest most customers are already so tired of the TYPO3 way of development that they consider moving to a more mature and easier maintain CMS than TYPO3.
Even many of them moved to Wordpress what we don't recommend but their argumentation is good. A TYPO3 site since 4.5 LTS came up had more problems and cost them
more time and especially money than a WordPress Site which brings them money nearly from the first step its online published. Ok it has security issues but it is simply working!
As real alternatvie to TYPO3 we recommend customers to build their sites with Process Wire. Here lots of those benefits you had in TYPO3 and Wordpress got combined. and it is very very fast and not at all a dinosaur. Beside this Processwire is very flexible in building all kind of templates. It is also much less vulnerable for update problems than TYPO3 has been until now.
Sepearted core, Formbuilder, profile manger, easy doing backups, versatile User Group Management similar to TYPO3, very easy to move sites to a new server or to multiply sites, of course multilingual much easier than actually TYPO3, multidomain capable with one database like Typo3 or with each own databse per multisite from one core like in Drupal both is possible, Updating your site with one click, updating extensions with one click, all this makes Processwire very userfriendly and also ver very developerfriendly beside the fact that no additional language like TYPOscript needs to be learned at all and that you will find many more qualified and especially also affordable developers all around the world.
In our experience people liked TYPO3 a lot but most of them got tired of the conflicts it was causing when updates and new developments took place.
Fact is until now there is nothing which can really replace all the benefits of Templavoila and if TV dies - well TYPO3 will die a little bit more too.
The only help for TYPO3 actually would be to keep all TV customers with TYPO3 until Version7 is so mature to replace TV. It might take the whole 3-4 years of an 6.2 LTS release but it would be worth doing it.
Yes TV is active more than you think and if you have customers who want to continue with TV don't hesitate to tell them that they are not alone with their problem and if you don't want to maintain their sites any more because they are made in TemplaVoila than don't hesitate and send them here ad we are still maintaining lots of TV sites in the next years! Yes TV is
running in 6.2 LTS and I pretty sure it even will run in 7.6 LTS. All TV customers can be a vital part of this TV movement or not but please stop telling TV is DEAD as this is 100% not true.
if you stop now to continue TV and publish it even as a great TV stop so you are actually harming lots of agencies which still work with TV.
If you retire as the maintainers of the Vetsion which is listed in TER and git so it is your think and should stay your think. For us we try to keep as many customers with TYPO3 and if they are using TYPO3 with TV and don't like to switch to grid flux or whatshowever we run them on Framework for TemplaVoila and TemplaVoila. or we help them to get their sites running on alternative CMS without TYPO3 headaches.
TV is alive and will stay alive with us at least and I am sure that there are also other agencies out there which will continue maintaing their forks too.
Again I wish you all the best woulters without TV and thank you for your great work both of you did after tolleiv left TemplaVoila. I respect and understand your personal and perhaps also political decision.
But Customers with TYPO3 TemplaVoila Sites don't need to worry as TV will stay alive with othet agencies. Best example is the Framework for TemplaVoila itself!
Kind regards and please don't burytalk TemplaVoila - please let it luve even without your personal maintenace!
Thanks
Andi
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> On May 5, 2015, at 17:10, Wouter Wolters <typo3 at wouterwolters.nl> wrote:
>
> Hi Andreas,
>
> Can you once and for all stop telling people that TemplaVoila is actively maintained? This gives people false hopes!!
>
> https://gist.github.com/alexanderschnitzler/7df8576d8abbcb8745b8
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Wouter Wolters
> TYPO3 CMS Active Contributor
>
> Andreas Becker schreef op 27-4-2015 om 2:32:
>> Sorry my English is so bad - I have to speak it every day! This is why I
>> practice my German ;-)
>> scroll back than you can read that it is developed actively!
>>
>> to translate German I recommend using Google Translate as it can translate
>> also to Dutch and other languages:
>> scroll times back on the list, then you see the developer as the work are
>> the TV will get alive and it also tidying up sharply. TV is still the best
>> solution for sites with many languages and many pages.
>>
>> scroll keer terug op de lijst, dan zie je de ontwikkelaar als het werk zijn van
>> de TV zal in leven te krijgen en het ook opruimen fors. TV is nog steeds de
>> beste oplossing voor sites met vele talen en vele pagina's
>>
>>
>> เลื่อนเวลากลับมาในรายการแล้วคุณจะเห็นนักพัฒนาเป็นงานที่มีทีวีจะได้รับ
>> ยังมีชีวิตอยู่และยังจัดเก็บขึ้นอย่างรวดเร็ว ทีวียังคงเป็นทางออกที่ดีที่สุด
>> สำหรับเว็บไซต์ที่มีหลายภาษาและหลายหน้า
>>
>>
>> مرات التمرير مرة أخرى على القائمة، ثم ترى المطور كما عمل وسوف TV تحصل على
>> قيد الحياة والترتيب والتنظيم أيضا بشكل حاد. التلفزيون لا يزال هو الحل الأفضل
>> للمواقع مع العديد من اللغات والعديد من الصفحات.
>>
>>
>> פעמים גלילה לאחור ברשימה, ואז אתה רואה את היזם כעבודה הוא הטלוויזיה תקבל
>> בחיים וזה גם שטיפה בחדות. טלוויזיה היא עדיין הפתרון הטוב ביותר עבור
>> אתרים עם שפות
>> רבות ודפים רבים.
>>
>> Met vriendelijke groeten
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 25, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Ric Roodlicht <roodlicht at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> In English please?
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Met vriendelijke groeten,
>>>
>>> Ric van Westhreenen
>>>
>>>>> Op 25 apr. 2015 om 6:26 p.m. heeft Andreas Becker <ab.becker at web.de>
>>>> het volgende geschreven:
>>>>
>>>> scrolle mal zurueck auf der liste, dann siehst du das da developer am
>>>> arbeiten sind die TV am leben erhalten werden und es zudem kraeftig
>>>> aufraeumen. TV ist nach wie vor die beste Loesung fuer seiten mit vielen
>>>> sprachen und vielen seiten.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Apr 24, 2015 at 5:30 PM, Christoph Christ MCP-Softworks <
>>>> cchrist at mcpsoftworks.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I fear, Templavoila is not developed activly anymore :( I am already
>>>>> switching away to other means of deployment for my projects.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
>>>>> Von: typo3-project-templavoila-bounces at lists.typo3.org
>>>>> [mailto:typo3-project-templavoila-bounces at lists.typo3.org] Im Auftrag
>>> von
>>>>> typo3-project-templavoila-request at lists.typo3.org
>>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 24. April 2015 12:00
>>>>> An: typo3-project-templavoila at lists.typo3.org
>>>>> Betreff: TYPO3-project-templavoila Digest, Vol 102, Issue 1
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>>>>> 1. Drag and drop jump to starting point problem...
>>>>> (Stig N?rgaard F?rch)
>>>>> 2. Re: Drag and drop jump to starting point problem...
>>>>> (Christian Welzel)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 1
>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 09:25:21 +0200
>>>>> From: Stig N?rgaard F?rch <snf at dkm.dk>
>>>>> Subject: [TYPO3-templavoila] Drag and drop jump to starting point
>>>>> problem...
>>>>> To: typo3-project-templavoila at lists.typo3.org
>>>>> Message-ID:
>>>>>
>>>>> <mailman.1.1429860320.22114.typo3-project-templavoila at lists.typo3.org>
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>>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I can see that there is not much trafic here - but I'll give it a chance
>>>>> anyway :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> I have problem with drag and drop after an upgrade to TYPO3 6.2 and an
>>>>> upgrade of TemplaVoila as well.
>>>>> When I try to drag a content element further down on the page while
>>>>> scrolling, it sudden jumps back to the starting point. Here is a video:
>>>>> http://screencast.com/t/5bNcSfni74k
>>>>>
>>>>> Best regards,
>>>>> Stig
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>> Message: 2
>>>>> Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 11:01:12 +0200
>>>>> From: Christian Welzel <gawain at camlann.de>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [TYPO3-templavoila] Drag and drop jump to starting point
>>>>> problem...
>>>>> To: typo3-project-templavoila at lists.typo3.org
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>>>>>> Am 24.04.15 um 09:25 schrieb Stig N?rgaard F?rch:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have problem with drag and drop after an upgrade to TYPO3 6.2 and an
>>>>>> upgrade of TemplaVoila as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> This problem also happens with 4.5.40 and TV 1.9.2.
>>>>> I already asked on the german list, but got no response, so i thought
>>> of it
>>>>> as local problem.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> MfG, Christian Welzel
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