[Typo3-marketing] Lack of marketing professionalism

[nielsen joern]

Dear Typo 3 professionals
 
I have been living in Thailand for 20 years, have an "adopted Thai child" who is now 18 years old. I know Thai culture better than anybody. I don't adopt to Thai culture, since there isn't much about the culture I like any longer. I don't feel like Danish (or European) either since I haven't been living there for 30 years. Please do not make a lot of fuss out of one sentence, I was trying to make a point about the way people do business in general, not a point about Thailand or Thai people.
 
Regarding TTUG. I HAD ALREADY SET UP a Thailand Typo3 Users' Group on my website www.STUFbangkok.net  - I was ready to do a lot of effort to promote Typo3 CMS here as part of a new business project. However, I am NOT A DEVELOPER, I am a marketing man, so I need contacts in Europe in order to set up websites with nice templates, shop systems, etc, something I am not able to do with my own very limited skills in website development.
 
And, the only person in Thailand, who knows something about Typo3 development, and the person who has translated Typo3 into Thai language, also (for a very long time) did not answer my many emails to him, and also did not show up to further pre-arranged meetings, even after we (finally) had two fine meetings to arrange for things. 
 
So, in order to still proceed with my projects, I contacted two Typo3 developers - who also didn't answer my emails - it's quite frustrating to be an entrepreneur in a developing country I can tell you. 
 
I am also the co-founder of SEBT, The Thai Society for -e-Business in Thailand. It's a non-profit (social) society to help the local (Thai) people learning about doing business online and the challenges involved.
 
I was also ready to provide input in the area of marketing of Typo3 worldwide - But I still don't understand who Typo3 is "made" for? Who is the "target" market of this open source CMS system.Is it made for Typo3 developers only, so they can make money out of Typo3 CMS website development, then it won't spread much around the world, since the rates and fees charged in Europe will leave all Asia, Africa and South America behind (and that's a pretty large, untapped market). Or is it made for marketing (i.e eveybody) people, like myself, who, without any technical assistance (because there isn't any available here in "my" country) can do a (very simple I must admit) website and help promote the spread of Typo3. 
 
I spent one year (learning by myself) to set up two simple websites. Now I would like to go a further step, to set up more advanced websites, to learn more by myself, to teach Thai people (I was going to do that for free) and to promote Typo3 everywhere in Asia. However, I got stuck in the middle, because the only thai "developer" can't show up to arranged and agreed upon meetings, and the European developers who got ex. some templates and/or shop systems for sale don't answer my emails too.
 
So what would you do if you were me?
I was trying to be helpful to everybody, especially the Thai people, who should learn about Typo3 instead of being only interested in Mambo.
But I just got frustrated, so what am I do to - now I can't be of much help, since those I need now, show no interest in selling their own products or services.
 
Just wondering out loud.
Cheers
Joern Nielsen, Bangkok
Web Fumbler (Mumbler) (certainly not web-"Master")
www.STUFbangkok.net 
www.thailandfashion.net 

Sander Vogels <sander at netcreators.nl> wrote:
Hi Joern,

Enjoy living in Thailand? Been there for six years (altough in and out) 
and it still feels like my second home. I don't think it's appropriate 
and very respectfull to talk about the Thai people in terms of "they are 
still thinking like a bunch of farmers, can't expect much". After all 
this years in Thailand one would think you had adopted to the culture 
instead of still setting your European/Danish culture as THE standard.

Here's a tip for about the Thailand Open Source Network, might be 
interesting: www.tosdn.com/
Lots of sites about Thailand are made in TYPO3 so maybe you can 
establish a Thailand T3 Usewr Group?

Regards,

Sander Vogels



nielsen joern wrote:
> Hi to all of you.
> 
> I have been following the debate about marketing of TYPO3.
> 
> Well, before we can talk about international marketing, maybe the web 
> developers themselves need to consider one very simple thing, and that is:
> 
> To answer their emails ...
> 
> Within the last two weeks I have sent emails to two Typo3 web 
> developers, requesting information about their products, but I haven't 
> gotten any reply.
> 
> Question is, WHY do you make a website, and promoting your products 
> online, when you don't bother to answer request.
> 
> There is no marketing effort or brand building effect that can overcome 
> ignorance.(or arrogance)
> 
> I am living in Thailand, where I am fighting everyday to get Thai people 
> to answer simple emails, but they are still thinking like a bunch of 
> farmers, can't expect much, but professional developers in Europe are 
> not farmers ... are they?
> 
> Just a thought
> 
> Joern Nielsen
> Bangkok, Thailand
> www.STYFbangkok.net 
> www.thailandfashion.net 
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